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this question is a tough question you

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look like a tough lady with your leather

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jacket so this one comes from steve

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kambian from

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truth seekers

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on your website there's a picture of a

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genuine alien taken to the moon

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and the image that you used was from a

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2005 video game called area 51

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km so steve kambian is referring to

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himself and the third person came in

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from truth seekers emailed you

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as the proof that what you're selling

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was from a video game and and then you

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refused to change so okay so whatever

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there's some accusations there do you

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mind explaining to the audience what

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that picture is about its provenance and

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perhaps why you would not take it down

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if someone showed you it was video game

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are you talking what are you talking

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okay i will show i can show the image

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i don't have it printed here but i can

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show you i can show the audience the

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image at some point so are you so you're

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on you don't know what is being referred

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to here with the

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video game cover art of area 51 and that

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being used as a genuine image on your

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website apparently i have no idea what

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kurt i don't know why you are reducing

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the interview to this kind of

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i have been

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as a professional journalist

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i started at knbc television

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i went to abc in boston

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i was hired to be director of special

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projects at the cbs station in denver

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i have corrected

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a million scripts i have no idea

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40 50 years how many scripts

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professional journalist and i have a

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tremendous number of awards that are

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even in boxes 35 40 professional awards

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as a journalist why you would end up

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with some kind of a stupid question like

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it's hostile kurt

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why would you do this

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it's from it's meaningless

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i mean why are you playing let now we're

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going to trap linda in some if this is

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ridiculous

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i'm asking some of the most upvoted

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questions so there's the sentiment in

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the community that you're a great

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investigative reporter especially your

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early work and that toward the end of

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the career perhaps

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not as much due diligence in vetting

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sources this is just a perception so

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that's why people are upvoting it by

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that's not my relationship with the

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this is what many people have upvoted so

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i'm asking the questions that people

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are interested in knowing the answer to

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you're accusing me

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of being some gullible two-year-old

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and i have just celebrated my 80th

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revolution around the sun

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i have produced literally a few thousand

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reports that are files.com

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many people similar questions about ndas

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it proof do you have a public

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record of so and so it's not as if this

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is such a strange question you just said

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how much i have produced that is

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not trying to be accusatory i'm simply

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trying to ask the questions that many

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either taken from twitter or the live

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chat or

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comments on comments and so i'm looking

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at okay what are the questions that

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uh nothing about the last 20 minutes

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all right okay well we'll just end this

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i have a tremendous number of awards

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from my point of view i know how hard i

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work for facts

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and that i take on subjects

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that some people won't touch

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that's my answer

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thank you linda thank you so much for

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coming on i appreciate it

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greetings and salutations friends and

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uh boy it's the start of the week and i

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know that a lot of people wanted to hear

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from me on this uh

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this thing that happened and uh so

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tonight i'm gonna try to give a

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breakdown and some uh explanation

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uh and backstory of uh what may have

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caused some of this

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the the first thing that i want to do is

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explain to you uh the anatomy of a hoax

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in order to perpetrate a hoax and

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sell it to believers and make a lot of

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there's certain steps and linda moulton

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hal's story with this fake video game

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cover as her only evidence by the way

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super secret astronaut

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uh but when you check with nasa he was

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somehow she explains that part away well

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he was a secret astronaut so they're not

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going to tell you and what was his only

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evidence the only evidence that this man

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gave linda molten hal that he was a

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secret astronaut went on secret apollo

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missions that by the way don't exist he

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claimed to be on apollo missions after

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the apollo program ended oh but it was

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the secret apollo program okay

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and what was his only evidence the only

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evidence that he had

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to back up his story was this video game

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a 2005 video game image

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and said that it was a picture that her

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secret astronaut took on the moon

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now i recognize the picture right away

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and also for the record it's important

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scoured the internet i scoured

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everywhere i could i even talked to

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people at midway the company that

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produced that game area 51 by the way i

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that image and he had quite a chuckle

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when i sent him the links and showed him

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that somebody was selling a selling his

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as a genuine gray alien photo taken on

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the moon but let's get back to the

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anatomy of a hoax

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now step one is to put out a fake story

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with manufactured fake or just terrible

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and then direct people to pay the 55

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her website for the year so that you too

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can read the whole story so that you too

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moon to allege it quote alleged

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grey alien photo taken on the moon

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as if changing it from genuine to

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alleged somehow absolves her from any

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responsibility for ripping all those

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people off who paid good hard-earned

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money to sign up for her website to read

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this fake story and see these fake

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i want to thank patrick sheehan for a

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kind and generous 999 super chat thank

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you very much patrick continuing

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supporter of the show for your kindness

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your generosity and your support patrick

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writes linda has sleepwalked through her

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job the last several decades yeah we'll

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get to that patrick thank you for your

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kindness your generosity and your

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support all you people if you're feeling

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generous this is a viewer supported show

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and we read each and every single super

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chat that we get

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so back to the anatomy of a hoax

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step one you put out a fake story with

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manufactured or terrible evidence or

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fake evidence step two is you collect

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all the money that you can while that

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is still rolling and people think it

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might still be true

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now step three when the hoax starts

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falling apart because people start

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picking apart your weak fake or

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manufactured evidence

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you gotta double down that's step three

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double down triple down provide

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alternate explanations do the metal

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gymnastics for the viewers

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give them a whole bunch of alternate

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explanations for why the story may still

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get ridiculous if you have to and if all

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else fails and you're really stuck for

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an explanation you gotta bring in the

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men in black and you got to say that the

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alphabet soup agencies the cia the dia

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the nsa the the men in black

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they planted

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evidence to discredit the story because

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it's true

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that's what you do when you're really

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desperate and she did all of these

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things friends

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now

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after bringing in the men in black to

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explain why her evidence was completely

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and totally fake

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and made up and from a video game

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she did that

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step four is

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in the anatomy of a hoax or how to run a

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hoax step four is when the heat from the

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hoax being fake

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and being a hoax gets too great

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for you to defend it anymore you got to

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drop that story like a hot potato and

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move on to the next fake story you could

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sell stupid people

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linda molten hal did all four of these

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steps in my anatomy of how to run a hoax

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she did all four of them

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this was a hoax

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i stand by

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my opinion that this was a hoax and my

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analysis

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that she followed every step every

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hoaxer uses when they're perpetrating a

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hoax in order to steal money from

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gullible people it's very important to

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note that she

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profited from this story in more ways

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than one

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monetized youtube videos talking about

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it taking super chats and getting ad

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revenue she spoke about this story at

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conferences

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and by the way

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i'm not sure if this is accurate but it

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it it would seem to be in line with

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other things i've been told by

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conference organizers i'm told that for

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big conferences linda molt hale gets

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somewhere between five and ten thousand

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dollars to give the talk and do her

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lecture

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kind of money from ufo conference

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organizers and presented this garbage

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story for that kind of money

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now i'm gonna get to uh

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i'm gonna get to some of our proof

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uh here

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because it's not just this story so so

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please have patience and bear with me

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and before i forget i want to make sure

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that i mentioned because i i got accused

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of trying to humiliate this woman

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uh by answering asking that question or

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gotcha her or setting her up

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uh nothing could be further from the

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truth

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kurt is a very good guy and he's

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interested in this subject but he's not

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entirely engrossed in it or super

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educated on all these different

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characters and personalities so he

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relies on other people that are uh

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interested in this subject and maybe

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have been following it longer in my case

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uh decades longer than he has

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for their insight into some of these

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characters and what might be good

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questions to ask

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his guests it's not just me that's

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sensitive questions but it does appear

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to be me that sends in the questions

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that makes these ufo celebrities all

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lose their minds

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i i

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look i'm not going to apologize for that

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i want to ask these people hard

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questions questions that other people

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should ask them how many ufo shows has

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linda molten hal been on

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and how many hosts of those shows have

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asked her about these issues of her

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selling all these fake garbage stories

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she's been peddling fake

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stories for decades

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her website

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which she charges money for is filled

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filled with hundreds of provably fake

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stories

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i know i signed up for a membership just

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to see what was behind her paywall

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it is filled with hoaxes fake stories

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it's important to note again that she

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teased this story and then directed

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people to sign up for her website for 55

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a year so you can read the full story so

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you could see all the pictures the the

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high resolution

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images of this

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alien photo that her secret space

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astronaut took on the moon

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by the way

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uh yeah i checked with nasa the guy

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wasn't an astronaut i checked into his

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background a lot of what he said

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didn't pan out so what we have here is a

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case of linda molten hal running with a

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story

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where her only evidence was some guy

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telling her stories that wasn't an

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astronaut she said he was

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he wasn't

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and a picture from a 2005 video game

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cover that was her only evidence friends

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to run with this story

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and we'll see in a moment how she double

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down and triple down on this still being

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true even after i contacted her

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now the timeline here is very important

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because she posts

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the

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original story and starts talking about

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it in november

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as soon as i saw that image i ran i have

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huge bookshelves

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full of uh i i kept all my old games

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like xbox xbox 360 whatever

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um

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i ran

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to my shelves and i pulled that game

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down i played that game i recognized

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that image immediately

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as being from a game because i love that

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game it's a great game you want to run

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around area 51 and kill aliens it's

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awesome

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first person shooter aliens right what's

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not to like if you're if you're

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interested in aliens in a game like that

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so i ran to myself

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pulled the game out and when i cannot

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believe she got fooled this badly i

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scanned a picture of the image sent it

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to her

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and what i got back from her was excuses

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i got excuses and uh the let's see

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i got step

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step three of the hoax from her when the

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hoax starts falling apart

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because people start picking apart your

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weak fake

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or manufactured evidence double down

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triple down provide alternate

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explanations for why the story may still

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be true get ridiculous if you have to

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and if you're really stuck bring in the

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men in black so that that my friends is

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exactly what she did

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uh when i emailed her

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which is pardon me because i'm trying to

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queue up here

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i'm gonna share my screen um

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and again it's not my usual uh

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it's not my usual policy to share emails

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but

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this is an email to me it's my email

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she emailed me this is one of the emails

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i'm not going to share them all but i

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think it's important

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that we see that

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so i email her

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this is a later email

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i emailed her first in november she gave

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me a bunch of excuses and then i emailed

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her again in december

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she says in my earth files report

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and broadcast media i have acknowledged

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the contradictory chain of custody

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question

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john harold levine insists that he took

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this photo with a

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hasselblad photo during apollo 17 there

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was no apollo 17 in 1972 and that nasa

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image was held and that the image was

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held by nasa then she suggests was the

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2005 video game

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image source

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that same 1972 photo by levine

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there's no evidence that that image

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existed before 2005. i went to the ends

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of the earth trying to see if that image

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came from somewhere else

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it was nowhere else before 2005. it was

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drawn by a digital artist specifically

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for that game

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so in uh one of my emails we had this

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big email chain back and forth i

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couldn't believe that she wouldn't just

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in this email she suggests that somehow

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the video game company got a hold of

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that

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genuine gray alien photo taken on the

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moon by her super secret astronaut

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source that wasn't an astronaut

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yeah

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so but this is what i got from her

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now there was a uh

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a later email which i sent her and we'll

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get to that in a while

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and here i couldn't find a screenshot of

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when she said it was a genuine

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real apollo 17 photo of

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grey alien up close she first posted

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this and used the word see

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genuine not alleged but genuine real

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apollo 17 photo of grey alien up close

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and again

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she says

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these earth files reports contain animal

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mutilation images and documents which

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are accessible only by subscription

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paying subscriptions automatically means

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the users grant permission to see

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photographs of worldwide mutilated

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animals and other related evidence then

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she gives her disclaimer which she

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somehow suggests um you know

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allows her to just sell fake things

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real x-files do not always have hard

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proof but the first-hand testimonies are

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presented as valuable to consider in the

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challenge of determining facts and truth

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in subjects that american and other

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governments have hidden behind policies

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of lies and denials in their interest of

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national security

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again

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she puts this completely fake made-up

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story with a fake astronaut and a

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picture of a

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of a video game

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that's her evidence a fake astronaut

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telling stories

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which by the way nobody else gets to

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talk to right

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nobody else can talk to that source

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except for her

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but

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even still he's a fake astronaut she put

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out what she said was his real name

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checked with nasa he was never an

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astronaut and of course the nasa person

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kind of had a laugh when i said he was

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on apollo 17. the guy said uh

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there wasn't an apollo 17. of course

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yeah i know i know but linda monal

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doesn't know that

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and the people stupid enough to believe

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her fairytale stories don't know that

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so again

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she puts this story where the only

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evidence is her super secret fake

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astronaut telling fairy tales and a

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cover of a video game

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and she puts it behind a paywall and you

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have to pay

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to read the story and and see more and

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pay to see

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the

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now she changed it after i emailed her

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to alleged real apollo 17 photo of gray

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alien up close

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and by the

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way later

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people are like people

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after this this thing with kurt's show

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blew up people said oh well she printed

571
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:34,720
a retraction later and we'll get to that

572
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:36,480
we'll get to that it's important to note

573
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:38,880
also that ufo watchdog has been

574
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:41,919
following her and uh detailing much of

575
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:44,720
her fake evidence and fake stories for

576
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:46,559
much much longer than me

577
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:48,559
ufo watch though contribute on twitter

578
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:50,880
saying a cattle mutilation case

579
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:53,120
i investigated involved the ranchers

580
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:55,520
seeing lights over a mountain range the

581
00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:57,440
lights were from small planes over a

582
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:59,919
privately owned airport linda molten

583
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:01,919
hale never corrected her reporting in

584
00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:04,640
spite of me her in spite of me telling

585
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:07,600
her this so this is nothing new and

586
00:27:12,789 --> 00:27:10,159
there are various reports i have another

587
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:12,799
report of a story linda molten hale was

588
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:15,120
running about crop circles claiming that

589
00:27:18,630 --> 00:27:16,799
aliens in the middle of the night made

590
00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:18,640
these crop circles and people saw the

591
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:20,399
spaceships

592
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:23,840
in that case it was math students who

593
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:26,159
emailed her and they even showed her

594
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:28,960
pictures of them making the crop circle

595
00:27:34,710 --> 00:27:31,600
she was selling a story claiming aliens

596
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:34,720
made did she retract that story no she

597
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:38,159
did not it's still behind her paywall

598
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:40,799
her claiming that a crop circle was made

599
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:42,640
by aliens

600
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:45,600
when in fact she was contacted by the

601
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:48,880
two people who made that crop circle who

602
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:50,880
even sent her pictures

603
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:53,440
of them making that crop circle she did

604
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:56,399
not retract that story she did not give

605
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:58,159
back any of the money she made selling

606
00:28:02,789 --> 00:27:59,840
that story

607
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:02,799
because this is what she does she sells

608
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:05,200
fake stories i'm sorry

609
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:06,880
if you're a fan

610
00:28:11,909 --> 00:28:09,440
but that's what she does and has been

611
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:11,919
doing now i get it

612
00:28:15,909 --> 00:28:13,919
uh that a lot of people say well that

613
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:15,919
first documentary she made a strange

614
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:18,080
harvest right

615
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:20,799
uh that was that was good work

616
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:23,520
and you know it may be

617
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:25,760
maybe it was good work

618
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:28,480
but given what we know about her vetting

619
00:28:32,470 --> 00:28:30,880
skills all these years later and all

620
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:32,480
these examples that we could see that

621
00:28:36,149 --> 00:28:34,240
she doesn't vet anything she just

622
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:36,159
believes everyone

623
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:38,399
i call it a question even that work but

624
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:40,559
remember even if we're gonna give her

625
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:42,640
okay her first documentary that was good

626
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:45,760
work that was 1980.

627
00:28:49,029 --> 00:28:47,440
so some people are saying well it's too

628
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:49,039
harsh she's an old woman she's been

629
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:51,200
doing this forever she's a veteran and

630
00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:54,399
she's okay i get it but you don't get a

631
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:56,559
pass for selling fake stories for

632
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:57,679
decades

633
00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:03,110
do you get a pass

634
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:05,840
to sell fake stories and rip people off

635
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:08,559
with fake evidence selling fake stories

636
00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:10,320
for 40 years

637
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:14,000
42 years i guess because you made one

638
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:16,320
good piece of work

639
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:18,880
i don't understand people who are upset

640
00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:21,279
with me for asking a question saying

641
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:23,120
well she used to do good well great she

642
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:25,440
used to that you don't get a pass

643
00:29:28,549 --> 00:29:27,279
if you've been selling fake stories for

644
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:28,559
40 years

645
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:31,679
and friends i can give you i could go on

646
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:34,000
for five hours we could go through her

647
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:36,640
website and i could show you this is a

648
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:40,000
hoax this was proven fake this is a hoax

649
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:42,399
this is proven fake she just leaves it

650
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:44,640
all up there for the gullible and the

651
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:47,039
true believers who keep paying her to

652
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:52,149
so

653
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:00,149
this is uh this is her telling people

654
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:03,120
you gotta pay to see this story that we

655
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:06,240
now know is completely and totally fake

656
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:08,960
you gotta pay you gotta pay to pay to

657
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:10,880
play

658
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:13,520
this of course is uh one of her posts

659
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:16,080
john levine discovery apollo 17 lunar

660
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:18,320
lander grey alien moon buggy and glowing

661
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:21,440
earth rise reflected in aliens large

662
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:23,039
black eye

663
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:25,120
john levine provided this photograph to

664
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:27,919
earth files as his own discovery in the

665
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:32,159
dark shiny eye of the alien gray

666
00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:34,000
being a reflection that shows nasa's

667
00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:37,520
apollo 17 lander an alien moon buggy

668
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:40,080
behind the lander with the earth

669
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:41,760
rise white glow

670
00:30:47,669 --> 00:30:44,880
that levine and sermon were watching

671
00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:47,679
when the alien moon buggy showed up

672
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:49,840
john levine insists he took this

673
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:51,840
photograph with a high-resolution hazel

674
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:54,240
bad camera mounted

675
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:56,399
on the front of his nasa astronaut space

676
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:59,200
suit from only six feet away

677
00:31:02,830 --> 00:31:01,039
wow isn't that amazing that he took a

678
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:02,840
picture of an alien on the moon and it

679
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:05,600
somehow ended up being the exact same

680
00:31:11,909 --> 00:31:08,000
picture that was on a 2005 video game

681
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:13,269
and he was having of course he was

682
00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:15,039
having telepathic communication with the

683
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:16,720
gray alien on the moon when he took this

684
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:18,640
picture sure

685
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:20,080
sure

686
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:25,440
franco commented uh and i have multiple

687
00:31:29,509 --> 00:31:27,600
reports of her

688
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:29,519
selling this

689
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:30,640
fake

690
00:31:34,870 --> 00:31:33,360
alien on the moon picture story at

691
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:34,880
multiple events

692
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:36,720
he says i was in an auditorium in

693
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:39,760
manhattan when she presented that crap

694
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,600
after richard dolan and whitley streiber

695
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:43,440
spoke at an old alan white event

696
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:44,640
downtown

697
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:46,480
it wasn't a very good presentation

698
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:48,640
everything she presented was clear fake

699
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:52,000
linda's always been hit and miss

700
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:53,039
yeah

701
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:54,799
um

702
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:55,679
now

703
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:57,200
here we see

704
00:32:01,990 --> 00:32:00,000
her own comment on a video from december

705
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:02,000
5th 2005

706
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:03,440
and we're going to play a portion of

707
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:05,760
that we're going to cite fair use and

708
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:08,000
show you her doubling down and still

709
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:09,279
claiming

710
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:11,200
against all hope that this story could

711
00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:12,399
still be true

712
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:14,320
here she says the number one comment we

713
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:16,000
received about the photo is that the

714
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:18,240
gray is from a video game cover

715
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:20,480
and by the way i believe that i to the

716
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:22,159
best of my knowledge i was the first

717
00:32:27,509 --> 00:32:24,159
person to release that this was a video

718
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:27,519
game cover both to her and publicly um

719
00:32:32,549 --> 00:32:29,360
but maybe some others did i don't want

720
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:32,559
to misspeak or take more credit than do

721
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:34,720
but i i believe for sure i was the first

722
00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:36,480
to email her right after she came out

723
00:32:42,549 --> 00:32:40,399
with this story in late november 2018.

724
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:42,559
so she says uh the number one comment we

725
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:44,000
received about the photo is that the

726
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:46,559
gray is from a video game cover i will

727
00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:48,480
say that this is standard operating

728
00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:50,320
procedure for disinformation from the

729
00:32:54,630 --> 00:32:52,240
government they will release something

730
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:54,640
online in order to discredit the photo

731
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:56,880
you can see the photos on my earth files

732
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:58,000
website

733
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:59,760
for free here on my twitter account

734
00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:01,120
thank you linda

735
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:03,919
uh and she started putting the photo on

736
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,919
twitter for free after people started

737
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:07,679
criticizing her for keeping it behind

738
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:08,720
the paywall

739
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:11,200
knowing that it was fake

740
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:13,679
so you know here we see her

741
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:15,440
even after she's given

742
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:17,679
all the evidence and proof this is well

743
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:20,080
after i sent her the picture she even

744
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:22,080
commented to me in an email reply that

745
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:24,399
multiple people after me began sending

746
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:26,559
her pictures of that video game cover

747
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:28,960
even after that she's doing what did i

748
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:31,679
say the anatomy of a hoax

749
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:33,760
step three when the hook starts falling

750
00:33:38,230 --> 00:33:35,679
apart because people start picking apart

751
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:38,240
your weak fake or manufactured evidence

752
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:40,159
you have to double down triple down and

753
00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:42,320
provide alternate explanations for why

754
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:44,559
your story may still be true get

755
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:46,559
ridiculous if you have to and if you're

756
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:50,480
really stuck bring in the men in black

757
00:33:55,190 --> 00:33:53,039
to explain why your evidence is so

758
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:55,200
terrible and fake blame the men in black

759
00:34:00,310 --> 00:33:56,960
when all else fails

760
00:34:03,190 --> 00:34:00,320
here's what she's doing exactly in line

761
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:03,200
with my previously published anatomy of

762
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:05,120
a hoax

763
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:06,720
great

764
00:34:11,109 --> 00:34:09,280
and now we've also you know the other

765
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:11,119
thing is that people believe that maybe

766
00:34:16,149 --> 00:34:13,359
i was too harsh on her and you know some

767
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:16,159
people get things wrong and yeah i i

768
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:18,240
will agree that sometimes people get

769
00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:19,679
things wrong

770
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:21,679
and they should be forgiven i believe in

771
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:24,240
a road to redemption for all people but

772
00:34:28,629 --> 00:34:25,919
when you're confronted with the

773
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:28,639
overwhelming proof and evidence

774
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:31,040
when you're confronted with absolutely

775
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:32,960
overwhelming proof and evidence that

776
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:34,720
your story is fake

777
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:37,440
and you don't immediately apologize and

778
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:41,040
take it down or retract it or whatever

779
00:34:47,430 --> 00:34:44,399
and instead double and triple down

780
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:47,440
that's the anatomy of a hoax

781
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:50,079
a cred and then in that in that clip

782
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:52,000
where she's asked this question she

783
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:54,240
doubles and triples down

784
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:57,200
on what a credible journalist she is

785
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:00,240
and i just want to say that credible

786
00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:03,440
journalists do not use video game covers

787
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:06,079
for evidence of alien pictures taken on

788
00:35:09,910 --> 00:35:08,480
the moon that's not something a credible

789
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:09,920
journalist does

790
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:12,640
a credible journalist also doesn't take

791
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:15,200
down a crop circle story doesn't leave

792
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:17,359
up a crop circle story

793
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:19,599
and where they're saying that the story

794
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:22,240
the crop circle was made by aliens when

795
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:24,800
the hoaxers of the crop circle contact

796
00:35:29,589 --> 00:35:27,359
them they take it down they apologize

797
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:29,599
and they say sorry i got it wrong that

798
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:32,160
crop circle was not made by aliens it

799
00:35:37,109 --> 00:35:34,400
was made by these two college students

800
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:37,119
who are advanced math students and they

801
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:39,680
wanted to impress their teacher their

802
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:41,280
college professor

803
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:42,960
so they made a very

804
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:44,400
uh

805
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:47,119
advanced sort of math puzzle in a crop

806
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:49,200
circle

807
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:51,440
credible journalists don't leave fake

808
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:53,680
stories up they retract them they

809
00:36:01,109 --> 00:35:56,480
apologize they explain what happened

810
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:01,119
credible journalists check their sources

811
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:03,520
are genuine and real

812
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:05,200
and tell the truth before they run with

813
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:06,320
a story

814
00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:08,160
a credible journalist when given the

815
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:10,960
story of this fake secret astronaut

816
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:12,640
would have simply called nasa and

817
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:15,359
checked with nasa and said excuse me was

818
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:17,359
this man an astronaut

819
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:20,320
and if he wasn't it's not a story

820
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:22,160
but that didn't stop linda from running

821
00:36:26,230 --> 00:36:24,400
with this fake astronaut and his fake

822
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:26,240
picture of an alien that he lifted from

823
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:27,599
a video game

824
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:30,640
and to be clear and even to be fair

825
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:34,000
i i'm not saying that she manufactured

826
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:35,680
the evidence i'm saying she didn't even

827
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:38,560
bother to check a google reverse image

828
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:40,400
search takes three seconds

829
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:42,320
in three seconds

830
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:45,040
anybody looking at her pictures could do

831
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:47,680
a google reverse image search and find

832
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:49,599
the absolute source of that image was a

833
00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:52,240
2005 video game cover she didn't even

834
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:54,320
bother to take the three seconds to do

835
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:55,760
that

836
00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:59,520
but it gets worse friends because

837
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:01,520
one of her other famous stories that i

838
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:03,839
believe she has made tens of thousands

839
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:06,160
of dollars selling is this spartan one

840
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:08,720
and spartan ii you know the secret base

841
00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:11,520
in antarctica and she's got a navy seal

842
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:13,280
for a source

843
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:14,480
well

844
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:16,880
isn't it great that even

845
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:17,920
without

846
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:20,640
divulging any details because that's an

847
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:22,160
anonymous source that's another one of

848
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:24,240
her plays

849
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:26,240
let's just use two anonymous sources

850
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:28,560
spartan one and spartan two and uh and

851
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:29,920
she's real big on telling everybody

852
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:32,320
don't worry though i vetted him i have

853
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:34,960
his dd214 that means all his medical

854
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:37,040
records but does anybody ever notice

855
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:39,680
that she never releases those dd214s so

856
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:42,320
other researchers could vet her sources

857
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:45,280
and tell if the sources are true or real

858
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:47,040
sources or if they're fake

859
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:49,119
never never will she release those

860
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:52,160
dd214s we've got spartan1 she claims she

861
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:54,480
has dd214s for nobody's allowed to see

862
00:37:58,829 --> 00:37:56,560
them we've got spartan 2 another one of

863
00:38:01,990 --> 00:37:58,839
her anonymous sources she claims she has

864
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:02,000
dd214s for that guy's navy seal nobody's

865
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:04,640
allowed to see those records and vet and

866
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:06,800
vet her source and we've also got the

867
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:10,160
cia deathbed anonymous cooper stein who

868
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:12,800
she claims she's got those dd214s and

869
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:14,560
again

870
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:16,560
these are three of her sources all

871
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:19,200
anonymous that she claims she vetted and

872
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:21,359
saw their their military records their

873
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:23,200
detailed military records and she's got

874
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:25,440
them and she vetted the sources then why

875
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:27,599
wouldn't she release that and let other

876
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:30,160
researchers confirm that her work is

877
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:32,800
good there's a reason she's using

878
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:34,640
anonymous sources and refusing to

879
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:37,040
release any proof that our anonymous

880
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:41,520
sources aren't manufactured friends

881
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:43,680
it's because they are

882
00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:45,200
that's my opinion

883
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:47,119
that's my belief

884
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:49,520
having dug into

885
00:38:54,310 --> 00:38:52,079
her modus operandi and the way that she

886
00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:54,320
sells fake stories

887
00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:56,400
what i believe to be fake stories and

888
00:39:01,510 --> 00:38:58,960
let me be very clear in that the only

889
00:39:04,390 --> 00:39:01,520
stories that linda molten how has

890
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:04,400
that i cannot definitively prove to you

891
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:06,640
are fake are the ones where she's using

892
00:39:11,589 --> 00:39:09,040
anonymous sources because if she's not

893
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:11,599
going to let me vet her sources or let

894
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:14,320
anybody vet her sources than nobody

895
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:16,079
nobody knows

896
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:22,710
now some would say oh she wouldn't just

897
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:25,520
manufacture and make up sources look at

898
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:28,000
this video game cover story if she's

899
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:29,520
willing to do that

900
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:31,520
to make people sign up for her website

901
00:39:35,030 --> 00:39:33,760
and sell a story that

902
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:35,040
terrible

903
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:38,079
terribly vetted that terribly researched

904
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:40,640
that terribly evidenced

905
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:42,079
you're gonna tell me she wouldn't just

906
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:45,040
make up imaginary friends and claim she

907
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:47,119
has these military sources

908
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:49,440
but here's where it gets good

909
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:51,440
because in the case of sport 1 and

910
00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:54,000
spartan 2 one of those spartans i forget

911
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:56,079
which one i think she's got more

912
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:57,599
spartans every time she needs to sell a

913
00:40:01,750 --> 00:39:59,599
new fake story there's another spartan

914
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:01,760
around fake anonymous source nobody's

915
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:04,400
allowed to talk to except her

916
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:05,280
um

917
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:08,000
but in the case of this antarctica story

918
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:10,800
and again she made tens of thousands of

919
00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:13,359
dollars telling this

920
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:15,760
antarctica story at contact in the

921
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:18,319
desert conscious life expo all these

922
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:20,960
other huge ufo conferences

923
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:23,440
and by the way again i'm told that her

924
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:25,119
speaking fee is between five and ten

925
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:28,240
thousand dollars so it is not a stretch

926
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:30,000
between the five and ten thousand dollar

927
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:31,920
speaking fees

928
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:34,880
and uh let's see youtube ad revenue

929
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:38,720
memberships to her website

930
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:40,640
she's got that story in one of her books

931
00:40:44,390 --> 00:40:41,680
i believe

932
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:44,400
it's not a stretch to say that

933
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:45,760
i don't know how much money she made

934
00:40:50,309 --> 00:40:47,920
with this fake gray alien photo on the

935
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:50,319
moon story but in the case of spartan 1

936
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:53,040
and spartan 2 and that secret base in

937
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:54,400
antarctica

938
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:57,910
yeah

939
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:59,359
you can say that she made tens of

940
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:01,440
thousands of dollars she talked about

941
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:05,040
that at conferences for literally years

942
00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:07,119
taking people's money

943
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:12,079
for a story based on fake sources

944
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:13,680
but you don't have to take my word for

945
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:15,760
it that the sources are fake because let

946
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:18,319
me tell you how fake her sources are and

947
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:20,480
how bad her vetting is

948
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:23,200
and how little she actually checks into

949
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:25,200
anybody's background

950
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:26,240
because

951
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:28,880
in the case of one of these spartans

952
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:31,440
don shipley god bless don shipley i love

953
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:36,000
this guy he is a real verified real navy

954
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:38,640
seal he was really a navy seal and don

955
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:40,960
shipley doesn't like fake navy seals and

956
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:42,560
i don't blame him you know how hard it

957
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:44,720
is to get to become a navy seal you know

958
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:46,319
what kind of training you got to go

959
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:47,760
through

960
00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:50,800
it it's called hell weak for a reason so

961
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:52,960
real navy seals don't like fake navy

962
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:55,200
seals and don shipley especially doesn't

963
00:41:59,589 --> 00:41:58,000
like fake navy seals telling stupid

964
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:59,599
alien stories

965
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:01,440
in the case of this spartan wanted

966
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:04,079
spartan 2 story lindemon hale won't

967
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:06,400
release the people's names

968
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:08,640
she won't release their military records

969
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:10,480
so other people can verify that she's

970
00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:11,920
telling the truth that they really were

971
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:13,359
in the military

972
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:14,960
she won't even release the names of the

973
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:16,640
people that she's claiming are telling

974
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:19,200
her these fantastical stories only she's

975
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:21,119
allowed to know that information isn't

976
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:23,599
that convenient but it gets better

977
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:25,119
because in the case of this spartan

978
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:27,680
thing don shipley heard her telling this

979
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:30,640
story on uh ancient aliens

980
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:32,560
and immediately

981
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:34,560
he knew that that

982
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:37,680
anonymous navy seal source of hers was

983
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:40,640
completely and totally fake even without

984
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:42,319
knowing his name

985
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:45,119
don shipley could rip that guy apart and

986
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:47,680
tell you that he is not a navy seal he

987
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:50,640
is a fraud and that linda likely knows

988
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:52,079
he's a fraud

989
00:42:56,470 --> 00:42:54,720
don shipley contacted linda moan hell

990
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:56,480
said he was going to put her on blast

991
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:58,880
because that fake navy seal that she was

992
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:01,200
using to sell that story was a hundred

993
00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:09,910
if linda wanted to actually do her due

994
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:12,880
diligence she could have taken

995
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:15,280
this man's supposed military records

996
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:17,440
which she claims she has

997
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:19,520
and his name and taken it over to

998
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:21,680
somebody like don shipley who was a real

999
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:24,240
navy seal and an expert on all things

1000
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:27,920
navy and especially on being a navy seal

1001
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:30,160
how that works what they speak like what

1002
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:31,599
they talk like what kind of missions

1003
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:33,839
they actually do

1004
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:36,000
according to don shipley there's no way

1005
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:37,520
on god's green earth that they would

1006
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:39,839
send a seal to do this thing that she

1007
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:42,079
talked about in her fake spartan 1

1008
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:44,640
spartan 2 story

1009
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:46,640
don shipley knew

1010
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:48,880
after hearing her tell this story with

1011
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:51,280
her fake source that the source was fake

1012
00:43:56,309 --> 00:43:53,359
he wasn't a navy seal

1013
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:56,319
and i challenge linda

1014
00:44:01,589 --> 00:43:58,240
release the guy's name

1015
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:01,599
and let's how about me and you and don

1016
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:04,480
shipley have a conference call together

1017
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,800
i won't even release the name neither

1018
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:08,640
will don shipley he'll agree to not

1019
00:44:13,349 --> 00:44:11,040
release the guy's name your your source

1020
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:13,359
that you say is real and a real navy

1021
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:15,760
seal telling you these alien stories so

1022
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:18,720
let's do a conference call with me you

1023
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:21,680
linda molten hal and don shipley

1024
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:23,839
you release his name the don shipley and

1025
00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:24,640
in

1026
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:30,400
able to check and tell you and me

1027
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:33,359
if he's a real navy seal or not

1028
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:35,839
if you're selling a true story why would

1029
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:38,319
you not do that why would you not avail

1030
00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:40,800
yourself of one of the world's leading

1031
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:44,079
experts and what it is to be a navy seal

1032
00:44:48,069 --> 00:44:46,240
and who's a real navy seal and who's a

1033
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:48,079
fake fraud

1034
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:50,640
he's offered

1035
00:44:55,270 --> 00:44:53,520
why would you not allow

1036
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:55,280
one of the world's leading experts to

1037
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:57,520
help you vet that source so that you're

1038
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:00,640
not selling yet another fake story with

1039
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:04,480
yet another fake anonymous source

1040
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:06,400
now i think linda molten hale likes

1041
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:08,880
those anonymous sources she likes not

1042
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:11,520
letting experts or even amateur

1043
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:14,640
researchers like me vent her sources

1044
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:17,040
because her sources fall apart

1045
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:22,870
like dan burris she pushed that pile of

1046
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:24,400
garbage for

1047
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:26,800
a long time and we'll get into that

1048
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:28,480
that was another one of the fake stories

1049
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:30,240
that she pushed

1050
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:34,079
so don shipley says that

1051
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:36,240
her navy seal

1052
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:38,880
source is a hundred percent fake

1053
00:45:46,230 --> 00:45:41,760
but don't take my word for it again don

1054
00:45:48,069 --> 00:45:46,240
shipley is a real verifiable navy seal

1055
00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:48,079
and he's considered

1056
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:50,319
one of the united states leading experts

1057
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:53,200
on the phenomenon of stolen valor that

1058
00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:55,839
is people people pretending to be

1059
00:46:02,309 --> 00:45:59,599
military officers that aren't or were

1060
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:02,319
and people pretending to be navy seals

1061
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:04,400
when they're not because you see a real

1062
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:07,119
navy seal knows ranks and

1063
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:09,119
how missions work what kind of missions

1064
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:13,440
a seal would actually be given or not

1065
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:16,319
a real navy seal can spot a fraud a mile

1066
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:17,200
away

1067
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:19,599
and don shipley did that so like i said

1068
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:21,680
you don't have to take my word for it

1069
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:25,200
let's hear one of the united states

1070
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:28,640
greatest experts on stolen valor being a

1071
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:31,760
real navy seal or a fake one he's one of

1072
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:34,400
the experts let's hear his expert

1073
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:37,520
analysis on linda moulton hale's fake

1074
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:39,520
navy seal source

1075
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:41,760
and i just want to say uh i love don

1076
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:44,720
shipley and i apologize for this

1077
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:47,359
we ran this i've been running around

1078
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:49,440
trying to get this uh broadcast together

1079
00:46:54,069 --> 00:46:52,319
all day he curses like a sailor in this

1080
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:54,079
but he is a sailor so you're just gonna

1081
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:56,160
have to forgive him uh you know he's

1082
00:47:00,870 --> 00:46:58,400
kind of rough gruff he's a he's a former

1083
00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:00,880
navy seal he curses a lot so if you're

1084
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:02,480
offended by that or if you have children

1085
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:03,520
listening

1086
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:04,720
uh

1087
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:07,440
fair warning and let's hear what the

1088
00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:10,640
expert has to say let's hear what a real

1089
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:13,280
navy seal that we can verify was a real

1090
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:16,160
navy seal has to say about linda moulton

1091
00:47:20,549 --> 00:47:19,520
hal's navy seal anonymous source

1092
00:47:23,829 --> 00:47:20,559
again

1093
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:23,839
even with the guy being anonymous

1094
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:27,040
this man a real navy seal could pick

1095
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:29,839
the guy's story apart and tell you why

1096
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:32,000
he's not a real navy seal

1097
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:35,280
let's get into it friends here's don

1098
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:38,000
shipley real navy seal an expert on

1099
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:40,319
stolen valor in the united states

1100
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:43,119
and stolen valor watchdog recognized the

1101
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:46,000
world over as a stolen valor watchdog

1102
00:47:50,549 --> 00:47:48,319
this man has dedicated his life to

1103
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:50,559
busting people who pretend to be navy

1104
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:53,760
seals or other military officers

1105
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:56,000
lindamont hal could have availed herself

1106
00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:58,079
of his expertise while she was selling

1107
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:59,280
that story

1108
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:00,880
she did not do so

1109
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,790
let me tell you about the uh

1110
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:11,030
let me tell you about the ancient alien

1111
00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:17,349
the show you watch ancient aliens

1112
00:48:21,829 --> 00:48:19,200
well i watch it sometimes it's uh

1113
00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:21,839
interesting but he's talking about this

1114
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:24,559
[\h__\h] bug on there and uh i wrote that

1115
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:25,680
woman

1116
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:27,920
that has come out a long time ago i was

1117
00:48:32,829 --> 00:48:30,240
working on a video and all i'm going to

1118
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:32,839
do is open up another can of builder

1119
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:35,680
operator there are people that there

1120
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:37,680
that linda howe

1121
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:40,079
and then move on how i know exactly i've

1122
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:41,760
seen the videos

1123
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:45,040
and it's this ceiling antarctica that is

1124
00:48:50,069 --> 00:48:47,599
uh is

1125
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:50,079
let me let me

1126
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:51,040
i'm

1127
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:52,720
getting ready to come out swinging about

1128
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:54,880
a whole bunch of [\h__\h] we're going right

1129
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:56,720
back to where we come from i'm taking a

1130
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:58,160
nice break

1131
00:49:02,390 --> 00:49:00,480
from the youtube thing but when somebody

1132
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:02,400
hides their identity it's for a [\h__\h]

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00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:03,680
reason

1134
00:49:09,910 --> 00:49:08,160
and

1135
00:49:12,230 --> 00:49:09,920
whether whatever you're going to say is

1136
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:12,240
so [\h__\h] up that the guys that know you

1137
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:14,319
are going to [\h__\h] turn on you

1138
00:49:20,549 --> 00:49:17,440
but not in that guy's case this is the

1139
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:20,559
navy seal in antarctica

1140
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:23,440
it says he took a [\h__\h] submarine he

1141
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:24,480
got on a

1142
00:49:31,829 --> 00:49:27,359
an aircraft carrier

1143
00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:31,839
about a submarine to the antarctic so he

1144
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:33,040
could go

1145
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:35,599
extract a scientist

1146
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:38,079
if you search that seal antarctica

1147
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:39,359
you'll see that

1148
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:41,200
the first words out of this [\h__\h]

1149
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:43,920
guy's mouth to her were they blacked out

1150
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:45,280
his face

1151
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:47,200
was his rank

1152
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:49,200
and he said he was a first lieutenant in

1153
00:50:04,470 --> 00:49:58,790
and when confronted with that she claims

1154
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:05,990
[\h__\h]

1155
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:07,920
you are sitting in a room with that

1156
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:08,960
woman

1157
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:10,720
you're not nervous and you know this

1158
00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:11,520
isn't

1159
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:14,960
the cbs spotlight inside edition

1160
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:17,359
studio thing or being live on air you're

1161
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:19,280
sitting right in front of that

1162
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:21,119
mature woman

1163
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:23,520
i don't want to say much more about that

1164
00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:25,440
you're not nervous and you lied you

1165
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:28,079
[\h__\h] it up and it's all [\h__\h] from

1166
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:29,200
there

1167
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:34,240
they all thrive off of this seal thing

1168
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:37,280
if they can put that seal thing on why

1169
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:39,440
why why

1170
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:41,680
would they send a [\h__\h] aircraft

1171
00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:44,160
carrier to antarctica

1172
00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:47,119
with a seal who takes a helicopter

1173
00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:48,880
to go in and

1174
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:50,559
extract a

1175
00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:53,599
scientist with all this alien stuff that

1176
00:51:00,790 --> 00:50:58,390
why would they do it they didn't have

1177
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:00,800
anybody else on that carrier qualified

1178
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:02,960
to get out of a helicopter and go hey

1179
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:05,359
come here you get in and send the seal

1180
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:06,240
no

1181
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:08,079
but they use that for the ratings

1182
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:10,960
however he just sounds dumb from the

1183
00:51:14,309 --> 00:51:13,040
[\h__\h] minute he starts over from his

1184
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:14,319
mouth

1185
00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:15,280
till the

1186
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:16,880
end of the day let's just scroll down

1187
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:19,200
let's see mick said

1188
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:20,480
let's just scroll down there a little

1189
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:22,480
bit that's why i bashed it out live and

1190
00:51:27,670 --> 00:51:24,960
what's that

1191
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:27,680
claims he went miles underground and you

1192
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:30,400
know it's just so stupid that the fight

1193
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:32,240
is not worth it when you're dealing with

1194
00:51:36,069 --> 00:51:34,400
these conspiracy fears

1195
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:36,079
and watching the videos there's enough

1196
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:38,160
guys calling [\h__\h] and she knows

1197
00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:39,520
because i told her i was going to put

1198
00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:42,319
the blast on her linda she never replied

1199
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:43,200
back

1200
00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:44,480
but she

1201
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:48,079
the hard part of that as well as carrie

1202
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:50,559
cassidy with bill brockport

1203
00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:54,240
is that linda is in on the whole thing

1204
00:51:57,670 --> 00:51:56,480
and the whole thing is just this

1205
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:57,680
[\h__\h]

1206
00:52:03,349 --> 00:52:00,079
to get people to watch she knows he's a

1207
00:52:05,829 --> 00:52:03,359
fake and she set it up and she doesn't

1208
00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:05,839
care

1209
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:09,280
and she is the nicest sweetest looking

1210
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,030
i know i know i know

1211
00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:19,349
and she's a [\h__\h] liar

1212
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:20,880
they all are

1213
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:22,559
and it's just to sell the ratings so

1214
00:52:26,950 --> 00:52:24,480
they find some [\h__\h] hillbilly at a

1215
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:26,960
[\h__\h] gas station tennessee who calls

1216
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:29,760
himself spartan one and some [\h__\h]

1217
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:32,079
idiot marine and they get on there and

1218
00:52:35,910 --> 00:52:33,760
they start telling this [\h__\h] about

1219
00:52:38,309 --> 00:52:35,920
aircraft carriers taking them just to

1220
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:38,319
get this scientist who's in this alien

1221
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:41,119
facility you can find it on youtube

1222
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:42,480
somebody put it up there i think it's

1223
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:45,680
linda mulan howe linda howe

1224
00:52:50,309 --> 00:52:48,240
navy seal or spartan one and as soon as

1225
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:50,319
that [\h__\h] guy opens his mouth

1226
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:52,800
you know it's [\h__\h] no

1227
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:56,400
officer in the navy is ever gonna

1228
00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:57,839
goon up

1229
00:53:01,589 --> 00:53:00,079
that they were a first lieutenant first

1230
00:53:03,670 --> 00:53:01,599
lieutenants are in the marine corps in

1231
00:53:06,069 --> 00:53:03,680
the army they're not a [\h__\h] navy and

1232
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:06,079
no one would say that first lieutenant

1233
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:07,520
is a title

1234
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:08,450
in the navy

1235
00:53:12,150 --> 00:53:10,480
[Music]

1236
00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:12,160
and that goes way back to the old

1237
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:14,000
british days he's the first lieutenant

1238
00:53:17,670 --> 00:53:15,920
he's the most senior lieutenant on a

1239
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:17,680
ship and they only do that on ships we

1240
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:19,119
don't have that to steal things where we

1241
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:20,720
keep our engines

1242
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:23,920
long support but it can't be worked up

1243
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:26,640
but just tell them nobody no officer and

1244
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:29,440
seal team as uh twang

1245
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:31,760
no doesn't yeah

1246
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:33,760
yeah you'll win the fights you can i

1247
00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:35,920
mean i would ultimately win that but i

1248
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:38,000
would just turn into another bill brock

1249
00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:39,760
i didn't like bill brock later for a lot

1250
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:40,400
of

1251
00:53:44,710 --> 00:53:42,640
we don't send navy seals to antarctica

1252
00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:44,720
to extract scientists when anybody could

1253
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:46,240
do that because they wouldn't even

1254
00:53:54,790 --> 00:53:52,870
but they'd love that the secrecy of it

1255
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:54,800
and when you listen to this guy there

1256
00:53:58,549 --> 00:53:56,800
was nothing he just got off a helicopter

1257
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:58,559
and went in to get the guy and the guy

1258
00:54:02,470 --> 00:54:00,640
didn't come out anyhow

1259
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:02,480
but

1260
00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:04,720
why would you do that

1261
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:08,480
you got an aircraft carrier full of

1262
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:10,400
chiefs officers

1263
00:54:14,069 --> 00:54:11,920
how hard is it to get out of a

1264
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:14,079
helicopter and go hey hello we're here

1265
00:54:17,910 --> 00:54:16,319
to pick you up

1266
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:17,920
it's not like you're doing it in north

1267
00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:20,400
korea or some [\h__\h]

1268
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:33,430
so there we have it from an expert in

1269
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:34,880
navy seals

1270
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:36,240
first of all

1271
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:39,440
the rank that this so-called anonymous

1272
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:41,760
source gave linda moulton hale doesn't

1273
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:44,079
exist in the navy seals there is no such

1274
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:47,040
thing as a navy seal with that rank

1275
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:48,480
and i don't know how many military

1276
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:50,240
officers real ones you know but they

1277
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:53,200
don't often get their ranks wrong

1278
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:54,160
right

1279
00:54:58,710 --> 00:54:56,480
so somebody tells linda molten how they

1280
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:58,720
were a first lieutenant and a navy when

1281
00:55:02,069 --> 00:55:00,480
they were a navy seal

1282
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:02,079
she could have reached out to anybody in

1283
00:55:05,670 --> 00:55:04,160
the navy and found out that that's not a

1284
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:05,680
navy rank

1285
00:55:12,789 --> 00:55:10,079
there's no such thing as a first

1286
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:12,799
lieutenant that's a navy seal don

1287
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:14,880
shipley is an expert on these matters i

1288
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:17,040
trust his judgment being a real navy

1289
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:17,920
seal

1290
00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:19,359
to tell us

1291
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:21,200
that this source of hers is completely

1292
00:55:26,309 --> 00:55:23,760
and totally fake and you notice that don

1293
00:55:28,870 --> 00:55:26,319
shipley said that he contacted her and

1294
00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:28,880
told her the source was fake

1295
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:31,839
why would a credible journalist

1296
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:34,079
she claims to be a credible journalist

1297
00:55:38,789 --> 00:55:35,760
why would a credible journalist running

1298
00:55:41,109 --> 00:55:38,799
a story with a fake navy seal giving a

1299
00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:41,119
fake rank that isn't even a part of the

1300
00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:42,319
navy

1301
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:45,200
why would she not tell her audience oh

1302
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:48,960
um a navy seal expert a former navy seal

1303
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:51,680
an expert on stolen valor

1304
00:55:57,589 --> 00:55:53,680
uh from the united states in the form of

1305
00:56:00,069 --> 00:55:57,599
don shipley contacted me and said that

1306
00:56:02,069 --> 00:56:00,079
my navy seal gave me a rank that doesn't

1307
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:02,079
exist in the navy did she ever do that

1308
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:04,480
did she print that retraction

1309
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:06,720
did she give any of the money back that

1310
00:56:10,549 --> 00:56:08,960
she made selling this spartan 1-2

1311
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:10,559
garbage story

1312
00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:11,599
no

1313
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:17,680
who said that that source of hers was

1314
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:22,950
but it gets worse

1315
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:24,400
because

1316
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:26,400
it's it's not just

1317
00:56:31,109 --> 00:56:29,040
these two stories the spartan story from

1318
00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:31,119
antarctica with the fake navy seal

1319
00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:32,240
source

1320
00:56:37,829 --> 00:56:35,200
again anonymous and isn't it great

1321
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:37,839
that still even with an anonymous source

1322
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:40,240
and no information don shipley was able

1323
00:56:43,910 --> 00:56:42,319
to determine very quickly that that man

1324
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:43,920
couldn't be a navy seal because that

1325
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:46,079
rank is not a navy seal rank it's not

1326
00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:48,400
even a navy rank

1327
00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:50,000
even with an anonymous source just

1328
00:56:55,109 --> 00:56:52,240
listening to the guys speak he knew

1329
00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:55,119
immediately he was not a real navy seal

1330
00:56:59,829 --> 00:56:57,280
and i trust that man's judgment he's an

1331
00:57:01,510 --> 00:56:59,839
expert on these things

1332
00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:01,520
but it gets worse

1333
00:57:06,549 --> 00:57:04,240
it always gets worse with her

1334
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:06,559
uh oh i want to thank uh moonlick with a

1335
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:09,119
kind and generous 5.55

1336
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:11,040
super chat saying steven should the ufo

1337
00:57:14,710 --> 00:57:12,640
community ask her for the keys to the

1338
00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:14,720
car or should we elect representatives

1339
00:57:19,430 --> 00:57:16,480
to run her business i i don't know what

1340
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:19,440
to do here this is a strange situation

1341
00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:20,880
but thank you for your kindness your

1342
00:57:24,789 --> 00:57:22,960
generosity and your support of the show

1343
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:24,799
we read every single super chat here and

1344
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:27,040
we appreciate all of the support this is

1345
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:29,119
a viewer supported show if you want to

1346
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:31,440
continue to

1347
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:34,160
to support us please do

1348
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:35,520
please do

1349
00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:37,280
send some super chats or you can send a

1350
00:57:41,910 --> 00:57:39,440
paypal donation the link to do that is

1351
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:41,920
in the description we read everybody's

1352
00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:44,400
donation and thank everyone for their

1353
00:57:48,309 --> 00:57:46,480
kindness and help with the show thank

1354
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:48,319
you moonlick continuing supporter of the

1355
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:50,000
show for your kindness your generosity

1356
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:51,920
and your support much much appreciated

1357
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:53,760
very generous of you

1358
00:58:02,069 --> 00:58:00,230
moving on back to the uh alien on the

1359
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:02,079
moon story

1360
00:58:06,309 --> 00:58:03,839
it's important that we recognize the

1361
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:06,319
timeline because

1362
00:58:12,069 --> 00:58:09,359
i sent her the the proof that that image

1363
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:12,079
was fake uh

1364
00:58:15,670 --> 00:58:13,839
around the end of november when she

1365
00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:15,680
first started pitching and selling that

1366
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:18,880
story and advising people to sign up and

1367
00:58:22,150 --> 00:58:20,400
get behind her paywall so that they

1368
00:58:23,990 --> 00:58:22,160
could see the picture i knew immediately

1369
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:24,000
was fake i emailed her that all the

1370
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:24,960
proof

1371
00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:25,760
and

1372
00:58:30,390 --> 00:58:28,079
we saw what one of the emails she sends

1373
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:30,400
back to me making excuses and doubling

1374
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:31,839
down

1375
00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:35,200
again the anatomy of a hoax step three

1376
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:37,359
when the hoax fall starts falling apart

1377
00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:39,599
because people start picking apart your

1378
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:42,160
weak fake or manufactured evidence you

1379
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:43,760
have to double down triple down and

1380
00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:45,680
provide alternate explanations for why

1381
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:47,920
the story may still be true get

1382
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:49,520
ridiculous if you have to and if you're

1383
00:58:54,549 --> 00:58:52,079
really stuck bring in the men in black

1384
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:54,559
to explain why your evidence is terrible

1385
00:58:58,630 --> 00:58:55,760
and fake

1386
00:59:00,789 --> 00:58:58,640
and that's exactly what she did

1387
00:59:02,789 --> 00:59:00,799
we're going to cite fair use once again

1388
00:59:06,549 --> 00:59:02,799
this is a transformative work we're

1389
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:08,150
we are educating the public we'll be

1390
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:10,160
discussing and critiquing the video that

1391
00:59:15,670 --> 00:59:12,720
we are sharing

1392
00:59:17,589 --> 00:59:15,680
and this is of course allowable under

1393
00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:17,599
law

1394
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:19,680
under fair use so we're going to cite

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00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:21,760
fair use as we share

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00:59:27,829 --> 00:59:25,040
a portion of her december 5th 2018 live

1397
00:59:30,549 --> 00:59:27,839
broadcast in which she doubles down

1398
00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:30,559
claiming that the men in black must have

1399
00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:33,599
gotten involved and leaked that picture

1400
00:59:38,789 --> 00:59:35,920
to the video game to discredit her

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00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:38,799
because the story's still true

1402
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:40,480
no it's not linda

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00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:41,839
and you know

1404
00:59:47,910 --> 00:59:44,640
you know people are really uh people

1405
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:47,920
were really some people were very nasty

1406
00:59:53,430 --> 00:59:50,640
about me even asking these questions and

1407
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:53,440
i'm i'm sorry i'm not sorry

1408
00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:56,160
if you're selling people a fake story

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01:00:01,270 --> 00:59:58,160
with a video game cover as your only

1410
01:00:03,270 --> 01:00:01,280
evidence and you get caught

1411
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:03,280
you should apologize

1412
01:00:08,549 --> 01:00:06,559
and again this is not the only story

1413
01:00:12,069 --> 01:00:08,559
we've seen this sparta 1 in spartan 2

1414
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:12,079
where she's using fake sources

1415
01:00:17,030 --> 01:00:14,000
we've seen this grey alien where she's

1416
01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:17,040
using a video game cover to sell a story

1417
01:00:21,190 --> 01:00:19,200
and we're going to show you more fake

1418
01:00:22,789 --> 01:00:21,200
stories of hers but first

1419
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:22,799
let's hear her

1420
01:00:26,789 --> 01:00:24,880
doing step three of how to perpetrate a

1421
01:00:29,349 --> 01:00:26,799
hoax double and triple down and bring in

1422
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:29,359
the men in black to explain to people

1423
01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:31,920
why the story may still be true

1424
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:46,150
hi everyone my cold is nearly gone and i

1425
01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:48,240
want to thank all of you who sent me

1426
01:00:53,109 --> 01:00:50,720
wonderful emails to get well it really

1427
01:00:54,549 --> 01:00:53,119
does mean a lot and chocolate and fluffy

1428
01:00:57,510 --> 01:00:54,559
are healthy happy and they are playing

1429
01:01:00,470 --> 01:00:57,520
downstairs tonight so i want to begin

1430
01:01:02,230 --> 01:01:00,480
with the three real x-file reports that

1431
01:01:04,630 --> 01:01:02,240
i posted at earth files and on coast to

1432
01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:04,640
coast am last thursday the night of

1433
01:01:10,630 --> 01:01:06,960
november 29th to 30th

1434
01:01:13,109 --> 01:01:10,640
and there are three titles at my website

1435
01:01:15,270 --> 01:01:13,119
my news website earthfiles.com that i

1436
01:01:17,510 --> 01:01:15,280
hope if you haven't read them that all

1437
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:17,520
of you in my earthbound youtube channel

1438
01:01:23,270 --> 01:01:20,720
audience will uh eventually maybe

1439
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:23,280
tonight after this broadcast go to earth

1440
01:01:30,069 --> 01:01:26,640
files and go to these real x-files

1441
01:01:33,190 --> 01:01:30,079
part one is did a secret apollo 17

1442
01:01:36,470 --> 01:01:33,200
astronaut photograph a gray non-human on

1443
01:01:39,190 --> 01:01:36,480
the moon and this goes with a photograph

1444
01:01:40,390 --> 01:01:39,200
that he provided me that is very high

1445
01:01:43,990 --> 01:01:40,400
resolution

1446
01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:44,000
of some kind of a grey being that

1447
01:01:49,589 --> 01:01:46,319
allegedly was on the moon during apollo

1448
01:01:52,390 --> 01:01:49,599
17 it is so high-res that you can even

1449
01:01:54,470 --> 01:01:52,400
see my little tiny hairs in the gray

1450
01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:54,480
skin of this being

1451
01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:55,680
part two

1452
01:01:59,910 --> 01:01:57,680
secret astronaut reports that both

1453
01:02:02,710 --> 01:01:59,920
apollo 18 and 19

1454
01:02:04,390 --> 01:02:02,720
failed no astronauts returned from

1455
01:02:07,190 --> 01:02:04,400
either mission

1456
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:07,200
but he says the apollo 20 secret mission

1457
01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:08,880
was astounding

1458
01:02:14,470 --> 01:02:11,520
part three secret apollo 20 astronaut

1459
01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:14,480
investigated ancient three mile long ufo

1460
01:02:18,309 --> 01:02:15,839
on the moon

1461
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:18,319
the subject of these three real x-files

1462
01:02:22,870 --> 01:02:20,640
is a he calls himself

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01:02:24,870 --> 01:02:22,880
the once secret astronaut

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01:02:25,910 --> 01:02:24,880
and has given me permission to use his

1465
01:02:28,870 --> 01:02:25,920
full name

1466
01:02:32,549 --> 01:02:28,880
john spell j-o-n middle name harold

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01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:32,559
h-a-r-o-l-d and the last name is lavine

1468
01:02:37,270 --> 01:02:34,400
l-a-d-i-n-e

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01:02:39,349 --> 01:02:37,280
he is now 71 years old

1470
01:02:41,349 --> 01:02:39,359
he says he worked for the cia in the nsa

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01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:41,359
in the 1970s and says that he was

1472
01:02:47,190 --> 01:02:43,920
secretly behind the scenes in nasa's

1473
01:02:49,750 --> 01:02:47,200
apollo 17 which is officially the last

1474
01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:49,760
nasa mission apollo mission

1475
01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:52,160
and on 18 and 20

1476
01:02:55,910 --> 01:02:54,960
and knows about what happened on 19 as

1477
01:02:57,750 --> 01:02:55,920
well

1478
01:03:00,109 --> 01:02:57,760
in my earth files reports you can see

1479
01:03:02,630 --> 01:03:00,119
john levine's u.s air force and navy

1480
01:03:04,390 --> 01:03:02,640
dd214s there are three of them

1481
01:03:07,829 --> 01:03:04,400
and several other documents related to

1482
01:03:12,069 --> 01:03:07,839
his military and aviation work he is a

1483
01:03:15,510 --> 01:03:12,079
pilot has flown all kinds of uh aviation

1484
01:03:17,430 --> 01:03:15,520
i placed the three real x-files uh

1485
01:03:19,910 --> 01:03:17,440
in that particular section at earth

1486
01:03:21,349 --> 01:03:19,920
files where for the past 20 years since

1487
01:03:24,870 --> 01:03:21,359
i began creating and producing

1488
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:24,880
earthfiles.com at the end of 1998 i have

1489
01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:27,280
always defined the real x-files section

1490
01:03:32,870 --> 01:03:30,400
this way and i have this quote up at the

1491
01:03:35,750 --> 01:03:32,880
real x-files section at the top inside

1492
01:03:38,470 --> 01:03:35,760
of my earth files news website

1493
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:38,480
quote real x-files do not always have

1494
01:03:41,270 --> 01:03:39,599
hard proof

1495
01:03:43,510 --> 01:03:41,280
but the first-hand testimonies are

1496
01:03:45,670 --> 01:03:43,520
presented as valuable to consider in the

1497
01:03:47,109 --> 01:03:45,680
challenge of determining facts and truth

1498
01:03:49,109 --> 01:03:47,119
in subjects that american and other

1499
01:03:51,589 --> 01:03:49,119
governments have hidden behind policies

1500
01:03:53,589 --> 01:03:51,599
of lies and denials in the interests of

1501
01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:53,599
national security since at least world

1502
01:03:57,270 --> 01:03:55,680
war ii close quote

1503
01:04:00,029 --> 01:03:57,280
since posting and broadcasting these

1504
01:04:02,950 --> 01:04:00,039
three reports about secret c i a

1505
01:04:05,990 --> 01:04:02,960
n-s-a-n-r-o astronaut john levine

1506
01:04:07,990 --> 01:04:06,000
i have received hundreds of emails

1507
01:04:10,549 --> 01:04:08,000
including some from retired and current

1508
01:04:12,630 --> 01:04:10,559
military people who know some facts

1509
01:04:13,589 --> 01:04:12,640
about the behind-the-scenes evolution of

1510
01:04:14,789 --> 01:04:13,599
nasa

1511
01:04:17,349 --> 01:04:14,799
and i've even received some

1512
01:04:20,470 --> 01:04:17,359
congratulations for interviewing john

1513
01:04:22,710 --> 01:04:20,480
levine for seven hours as i described

1514
01:04:24,829 --> 01:04:22,720
and producing three half hour interviews

1515
01:04:27,750 --> 01:04:24,839
from the seven hours for coast and earth

1516
01:04:30,150 --> 01:04:27,760
violence other people are critical

1517
01:04:31,910 --> 01:04:30,160
they insist that apollo 18 19 and 20

1518
01:04:34,630 --> 01:04:31,920
never happen they are just hoaxes by

1519
01:04:36,309 --> 01:04:34,640
hollywood and video game producers

1520
01:04:38,630 --> 01:04:36,319
but hollywood and video game

1521
01:04:40,390 --> 01:04:38,640
similarities did not exist in the

1522
01:04:42,230 --> 01:04:40,400
mid-1970s

1523
01:04:44,390 --> 01:04:42,240
the much later similarities were no

1524
01:04:46,390 --> 01:04:44,400
doubt planted deliberately by the cia in

1525
01:04:48,789 --> 01:04:46,400
order to convince the public that any

1526
01:04:51,430 --> 01:04:48,799
leaks about apollo missions 18 19 and 20

1527
01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:51,440
would be dismissed as hoaxes

1528
01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:53,520
i ran into exactly that problem in the

1529
01:04:59,109 --> 01:04:57,200
2007 to 2008 time period when i was

1530
01:05:01,190 --> 01:04:59,119
receiving photographs receiving

1531
01:05:03,430 --> 01:05:01,200
illustrations interviewing people all

1532
01:05:05,990 --> 01:05:03,440
over the united states about seeing the

1533
01:05:07,270 --> 01:05:06,000
dragonfly drones in the sky and being

1534
01:05:09,190 --> 01:05:07,280
constantly

1535
01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:09,200
being told that it was some sort of a

1536
01:05:13,990 --> 01:05:12,000
video game at animation and eventually

1537
01:05:16,150 --> 01:05:14,000
we were able to prove that was not true

1538
01:05:17,750 --> 01:05:16,160
either

1539
01:05:21,029 --> 01:05:17,760
there seems to be

1540
01:05:23,829 --> 01:05:21,039
a much more complex and darker truth

1541
01:05:26,309 --> 01:05:23,839
of a secret space program with at least

1542
01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:26,319
one secret astronaut for those of you

1543
01:05:30,710 --> 01:05:28,559
who missed my recent coast broadcast i

1544
01:05:32,710 --> 01:05:30,720
am going to begin with what i said last

1545
01:05:34,390 --> 01:05:32,720
thursday and then i'm going to share

1546
01:05:36,950 --> 01:05:34,400
with you some of the most repeated

1547
01:05:39,349 --> 01:05:36,960
questions from audiences and the answers

1548
01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:39,359
and comments to those questions from a

1549
01:05:43,430 --> 01:05:40,880
researcher who has been helping me with

1550
01:05:47,829 --> 01:05:43,440
the history of nasa and things like the

1551
01:05:49,589 --> 01:05:47,839
saturn 5 rockets and john levine himself

1552
01:05:52,950 --> 01:05:49,599
and the question that was raised by

1553
01:05:55,589 --> 01:05:52,960
reporters was that uh putin is now

1554
01:05:58,390 --> 01:05:55,599
talking about putting some kind of a

1555
01:06:01,190 --> 01:05:58,400
base or an orbiter so it's as if the

1556
01:06:02,470 --> 01:06:01,200
geopolitical territorial conflict of our

1557
01:06:04,789 --> 01:06:02,480
surface earth

1558
01:06:05,829 --> 01:06:04,799
is now beginning to get translated to

1559
01:06:06,710 --> 01:06:05,839
the moon

1560
01:06:10,789 --> 01:06:06,720
where

1561
01:06:13,029 --> 01:06:10,799
we have apparently in 1972 been worn by

1562
01:06:14,150 --> 01:06:13,039
a particular type of gray the one in the

1563
01:06:15,829 --> 01:06:14,160
photograph

1564
01:06:17,349 --> 01:06:15,839
we don't want you here

1565
01:06:20,549 --> 01:06:17,359
don't come back

1566
01:06:23,589 --> 01:06:20,559
that sets up the other context for

1567
01:06:25,029 --> 01:06:23,599
apollos 18 19 and 20.

1568
01:06:26,069 --> 01:06:25,039
what did we

1569
01:06:28,470 --> 01:06:26,079
nasa

1570
01:06:31,109 --> 01:06:28,480
cia what did we think we could

1571
01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:31,119
accomplish going back to the moon if we

1572
01:06:35,430 --> 01:06:32,960
had been warned away

1573
01:06:36,549 --> 01:06:35,440
and that 18 and 19 were complete failed

1574
01:06:39,349 --> 01:06:36,559
missions

1575
01:06:42,069 --> 01:06:39,359
the astronauts never returned to earth

1576
01:06:43,910 --> 01:06:42,079
but john levine uh has a personal

1577
01:06:48,069 --> 01:06:43,920
experience on 18

1578
01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:48,079
and then apollo 20 which is complex and

1579
01:06:52,069 --> 01:06:50,880
extraordinary and it's easier to read

1580
01:06:55,190 --> 01:06:52,079
all about it and look at those

1581
01:06:59,510 --> 01:06:55,200
photographs at earthbites.com

1582
01:07:03,990 --> 01:07:00,870
all right i've got another question for

1583
01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:04,000
you all right where is the actual alien

1584
01:07:08,390 --> 01:07:06,240
photo the one on the twitter page is the

1585
01:07:09,670 --> 01:07:08,400
cover illustration from the pc game i

1586
01:07:11,349 --> 01:07:09,680
know you addressed that earlier yeah

1587
01:07:13,109 --> 01:07:11,359
yeah

1588
01:07:15,510 --> 01:07:13,119
all of this stuff this is the government

1589
01:07:17,589 --> 01:07:15,520
101 counterintelligence uh take

1590
01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:17,599
something that's really sensitive uh get

1591
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:19,920
it out into the public in a book in a

1592
01:07:24,150 --> 01:07:22,480
movie and a television in a video box

1593
01:07:24,950 --> 01:07:24,160
and then say no this is where it came

1594
01:07:28,069 --> 01:07:24,960
from

1595
01:07:30,069 --> 01:07:28,079
uh john levine said he would love to be

1596
01:07:32,710 --> 01:07:30,079
able to get his hands on the original

1597
01:07:34,950 --> 01:07:32,720
hasselblad uh negative

1598
01:07:36,950 --> 01:07:34,960
that he had but he says he and other

1599
01:07:39,430 --> 01:07:36,960
astronauts aren't allowed to have

1600
01:07:48,069 --> 01:07:39,440
anything keep anything and i know that

1601
01:07:51,750 --> 01:07:49,670
and we're back

1602
01:07:53,589 --> 01:07:51,760
sorry rough edit

1603
01:07:54,549 --> 01:07:53,599
so

1604
01:07:57,190 --> 01:07:54,559
here we

1605
01:07:58,069 --> 01:07:57,200
see linda is doubling down and tripling

1606
01:08:00,309 --> 01:07:58,079
down

1607
01:08:03,190 --> 01:08:00,319
and bringing in the men in black to

1608
01:08:06,390 --> 01:08:03,200
excuse why it sort of video game when

1609
01:08:09,109 --> 01:08:06,400
she claims it's real evidence

1610
01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:09,119
after this broadcast i kind of lost my

1611
01:08:14,630 --> 01:08:11,359
mind a little bit and i sent her a final

1612
01:08:16,149 --> 01:08:14,640
email which was dated december 19th

1613
01:08:18,789 --> 01:08:16,159
and in the email

1614
01:08:21,910 --> 01:08:18,799
i expressed to linda my concern that

1615
01:08:23,110 --> 01:08:21,920
what she was doing was consumer fraud

1616
01:08:25,110 --> 01:08:23,120
first of all

1617
01:08:27,189 --> 01:08:25,120
she's putting this story behind a

1618
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:27,199
paywall

1619
01:08:32,789 --> 01:08:30,719
on a series titled the real x-files

1620
01:08:35,349 --> 01:08:32,799
so apparently

1621
01:08:37,910 --> 01:08:35,359
her real x-files

1622
01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:37,920
have evidence like a video game cover to

1623
01:08:42,709 --> 01:08:40,400
prove that they're the real x-files

1624
01:08:45,030 --> 01:08:42,719
but in my email i expressed to her my

1625
01:08:47,590 --> 01:08:45,040
concern that what she was doing could be

1626
01:08:49,110 --> 01:08:47,600
considered consumer fraud and theft by

1627
01:08:51,510 --> 01:08:49,120
deception

1628
01:08:52,950 --> 01:08:51,520
after all she's telling people

1629
01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:52,960
genuine well first she was telling

1630
01:08:57,510 --> 01:08:54,560
people it was

1631
01:09:00,550 --> 01:08:57,520
sign up for my paywall and see a genuine

1632
01:09:01,669 --> 01:09:00,560
quote genuine gray alien photo taken on

1633
01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:01,679
the moon

1634
01:09:06,550 --> 01:09:04,000
unquote she changed it later to quote

1635
01:09:09,269 --> 01:09:06,560
alleged gray alien photo taken on the

1636
01:09:11,269 --> 01:09:09,279
moon after the heat started up and after

1637
01:09:13,829 --> 01:09:11,279
people kept sending her

1638
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:13,839
copies of the video game cover saying

1639
01:09:19,749 --> 01:09:16,799
what are you doing here this is fraud

1640
01:09:22,630 --> 01:09:19,759
so december 19th i send her my final

1641
01:09:23,510 --> 01:09:22,640
email which she didn't reply to but in

1642
01:09:30,149 --> 01:09:23,520
it

1643
01:09:31,829 --> 01:09:30,159
a concern for her

1644
01:09:34,149 --> 01:09:31,839
i expressed my

1645
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:34,159
belief that what she was doing could be

1646
01:09:38,550 --> 01:09:36,480
considered consumer fraud and theft by

1647
01:09:40,789 --> 01:09:38,560
deception after all you're saying it's a

1648
01:09:43,510 --> 01:09:40,799
picture of a real alien you're putting

1649
01:09:45,269 --> 01:09:43,520
it in your real

1650
01:09:46,630 --> 01:09:45,279
x-files series

1651
01:09:48,390 --> 01:09:46,640
you're putting it behind a paywall

1652
01:09:49,749 --> 01:09:48,400
telling people it's a real picture of an

1653
01:09:51,669 --> 01:09:49,759
alien

1654
01:09:54,070 --> 01:09:51,679
and we can clearly show

1655
01:09:56,070 --> 01:09:54,080
that it's from a video game cover

1656
01:09:59,430 --> 01:09:56,080
i thought that would be considered

1657
01:10:02,390 --> 01:09:59,440
consumer fraud uh by maybe an outside

1658
01:10:04,870 --> 01:10:02,400
agency looking into this situation

1659
01:10:07,110 --> 01:10:04,880
that was december 19th that i sent her

1660
01:10:08,229 --> 01:10:07,120
that email

1661
01:10:11,189 --> 01:10:08,239
and now we're going to show you what

1662
01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:11,199
happens and we'll move on down the scale

1663
01:10:20,550 --> 01:10:17,910
so i'm going to cite fair use this is

1664
01:10:22,630 --> 01:10:20,560
from her public website however

1665
01:10:25,270 --> 01:10:22,640
um

1666
01:10:27,669 --> 01:10:25,280
and note the date remember i emailed her

1667
01:10:30,229 --> 01:10:27,679
december 19th telling her that i believe

1668
01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:30,239
what she was doing was consumer fraud

1669
01:10:34,149 --> 01:10:31,840
and could be considered theft by

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01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:34,159
deception which is a felony

1671
01:10:38,229 --> 01:10:35,040
um

1672
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:38,239
december 20th 2018 editor's note from

1673
01:10:41,910 --> 01:10:40,320
earth files reporter and editor linda

1674
01:10:44,310 --> 01:10:41,920
moulton hale

1675
01:10:48,470 --> 01:10:44,320
i am preparing a fact check update for

1676
01:10:51,350 --> 01:10:48,480
earth files in my december 27 20

1677
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:51,360
to 28 2018 coast to coast am radio

1678
01:10:54,229 --> 01:10:52,560
broadcast

1679
01:10:57,510 --> 01:10:54,239
with the finding that the original

1680
01:11:00,470 --> 01:10:57,520
november 29 2018 three park tale by 71

1681
01:11:02,390 --> 01:11:00,480
year old john levine that begins below

1682
01:11:04,229 --> 01:11:02,400
appears to be mostly dishonest for

1683
01:11:06,870 --> 01:11:04,239
reasons unknown

1684
01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:06,880
in the face of contradictory facts

1685
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:08,880
levine keeps insisting his secret

1686
01:11:12,790 --> 01:11:11,040
astronaut story is real

1687
01:11:14,070 --> 01:11:12,800
even though many of his assertions don't

1688
01:11:17,110 --> 01:11:14,080
hold up

1689
01:11:19,110 --> 01:11:17,120
uh credibly under research scrutiny that

1690
01:11:21,189 --> 01:11:19,120
will be laid out in my upcoming fact

1691
01:11:22,870 --> 01:11:21,199
check update and by the way i don't know

1692
01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:22,880
that she ever actually did the fact

1693
01:11:25,990 --> 01:11:24,400
checking update

1694
01:11:27,590 --> 01:11:26,000
it's another part of a hoax tell

1695
01:11:29,350 --> 01:11:27,600
everybody that you're gonna explain it

1696
01:11:31,030 --> 01:11:29,360
all and then never do i'm not saying she

1697
01:11:33,189 --> 01:11:31,040
did in this case but that's generally

1698
01:11:35,669 --> 01:11:33,199
how hoaxes go people say they're gonna

1699
01:11:37,990 --> 01:11:35,679
fact check and and explain what happened

1700
01:11:41,110 --> 01:11:38,000
and why the story falls apart but they

1701
01:11:43,030 --> 01:11:41,120
rarely do

1702
01:11:46,070 --> 01:11:43,040
she goes on to say helping earth files

1703
01:11:48,310 --> 01:11:46,080
investigations have been uk engineer i.t

1704
01:11:50,950 --> 01:11:48,320
inventor and analyst winston keach

1705
01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:50,960
retired navy captain mark wood

1706
01:11:54,790 --> 01:11:52,960
and again if she has uh

1707
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:54,800
access to a retired navy captain

1708
01:11:59,430 --> 01:11:56,640
couldn't that retired navy captain have

1709
01:12:01,510 --> 01:11:59,440
told her that a first lieutenant is not

1710
01:12:04,149 --> 01:12:01,520
a rank of a navy seal and that her navy

1711
01:12:05,669 --> 01:12:04,159
seal source is fake i would think so but

1712
01:12:07,990 --> 01:12:05,679
she doesn't avail herself to those

1713
01:12:09,910 --> 01:12:08,000
experts or an expert like don shipley

1714
01:12:12,149 --> 01:12:09,920
she just keeps going right on selling a

1715
01:12:13,910 --> 01:12:12,159
story with a fake seal as an anonymous

1716
01:12:17,350 --> 01:12:13,920
source

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01:12:19,030 --> 01:12:17,360
retired navy flight engineer brian s

1718
01:12:22,149 --> 01:12:19,040
here's another navy guy that could tell

1719
01:12:23,669 --> 01:12:22,159
her that navy seals uh are not the rank

1720
01:12:24,790 --> 01:12:23,679
of first lieutenant writer and

1721
01:12:27,270 --> 01:12:24,800
researcher

1722
01:12:30,870 --> 01:12:27,280
john hankerin and uk earth files field

1723
01:12:35,350 --> 01:12:33,350
now uh i'm not saying that she's being

1724
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:35,360
dishonest here but i find it really

1725
01:12:41,110 --> 01:12:39,120
funny that i email her my concerns and

1726
01:12:44,550 --> 01:12:41,120
my belief that what she's doing is

1727
01:12:46,709 --> 01:12:44,560
consumer fraud on december 19th and on

1728
01:12:48,790 --> 01:12:46,719
december 20th suddenly she's bringing in

1729
01:12:50,470 --> 01:12:48,800
all these experts to vet this guy's

1730
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:50,480
story

1731
01:12:54,310 --> 01:12:52,320
why wouldn't she use those experts to

1732
01:12:56,470 --> 01:12:54,320
vet the story before she sold it behind

1733
01:12:59,830 --> 01:12:56,480
a paywall

1734
01:13:02,229 --> 01:12:59,840
again due diligence again good research

1735
01:13:04,229 --> 01:13:02,239
if you have access to experts and you're

1736
01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:04,239
actually a credible researcher or

1737
01:13:09,990 --> 01:13:07,040
credible journalist as she claimed to be

1738
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:10,000
in that curt interview

1739
01:13:14,470 --> 01:13:11,920
you would avail yourself of your experts

1740
01:13:16,550 --> 01:13:14,480
to vet your sources before running with

1741
01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:16,560
the story that's the way you're supposed

1742
01:13:21,669 --> 01:13:19,360
to do it but apparently she ran with the

1743
01:13:23,590 --> 01:13:21,679
story where the only evidence was a

1744
01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:23,600
video game cover and a guy telling

1745
01:13:27,990 --> 01:13:26,080
fantastical fairy tales about his secret

1746
01:13:29,270 --> 01:13:28,000
moon missions

1747
01:13:31,669 --> 01:13:29,280
um

1748
01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:31,679
and then she decided to vet the guy

1749
01:13:36,390 --> 01:13:34,320
after i sent her the proof that that

1750
01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:36,400
picture was from a video game

1751
01:13:41,189 --> 01:13:39,120
great great job great job linda and

1752
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:41,199
again in fairness everybody gets

1753
01:13:52,870 --> 01:13:49,669
to run with a story with evidence this

1754
01:13:53,830 --> 01:13:52,880
week this laughable

1755
01:13:56,550 --> 01:13:53,840
what it

1756
01:13:58,870 --> 01:13:56,560
says to me is that linda molten hal just

1757
01:14:00,790 --> 01:13:58,880
decided a long time ago that aliens are

1758
01:14:02,390 --> 01:14:00,800
real they're visiting us the

1759
01:14:04,310 --> 01:14:02,400
government's covering it up and

1760
01:14:06,950 --> 01:14:04,320
everybody telling her stories

1761
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:06,960
fantastical or not about aliens is

1762
01:14:10,709 --> 01:14:08,320
telling the truth

1763
01:14:12,630 --> 01:14:10,719
she does not vet anybody she just runs

1764
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:12,640
with the story if she thinks she can

1765
01:14:17,110 --> 01:14:15,040
sell it

1766
01:14:18,790 --> 01:14:17,120
now finally also a point of

1767
01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:18,800
clarification i mentioned earlier that

1768
01:14:23,430 --> 01:14:20,800
there was no such thing as apollo 17 she

1769
01:14:26,950 --> 01:14:23,440
was correct in this clip apollo 17 was

1770
01:14:29,189 --> 01:14:26,960
the last real official apollo mission

1771
01:14:33,510 --> 01:14:29,199
but her secret space astronaut claimed

1772
01:14:36,310 --> 01:14:33,520
that he was also on apollo 18 and 19

1773
01:14:39,270 --> 01:14:36,320
which don't exist so apollo 17 is the

1774
01:14:41,590 --> 01:14:39,280
actual real last apollo mission

1775
01:14:43,990 --> 01:14:41,600
and her source claims to be involved in

1776
01:14:46,709 --> 01:14:44,000
that mission by the way again you can

1777
01:14:50,149 --> 01:14:46,719
reach out to nasa check his name

1778
01:14:52,310 --> 01:14:50,159
he was not anywhere in nasa at that time

1779
01:14:55,510 --> 01:14:52,320
of the apollo 17 mission he did not work

1780
01:14:58,470 --> 01:14:55,520
for them he did not get any credit for

1781
01:15:00,070 --> 01:14:58,480
doing anything for the apollo 17 mission

1782
01:15:02,630 --> 01:15:00,080
and she would have known that had she

1783
01:15:05,830 --> 01:15:02,640
reached out to a nasa media spokesperson

1784
01:15:08,149 --> 01:15:05,840
and checked the facts she didn't

1785
01:15:10,950 --> 01:15:08,159
and certainly of course nasa denies that

1786
01:15:13,750 --> 01:15:10,960
there's any uh apollo 18 19 or 20

1787
01:15:15,350 --> 01:15:13,760
missions right

1788
01:15:17,990 --> 01:15:15,360
so

1789
01:15:19,590 --> 01:15:18,000
this is where we find ourselves uh this

1790
01:15:21,669 --> 01:15:19,600
is where we're at i'm sorry sharon

1791
01:15:25,830 --> 01:15:21,679
that's so small i didn't realize

1792
01:15:29,669 --> 01:15:27,590
that's better

1793
01:15:32,149 --> 01:15:29,679
case anybody actually wants to read her

1794
01:15:34,950 --> 01:15:32,159
retraction which she magically made one

1795
01:15:36,950 --> 01:15:34,960
day after i warned her that what she was

1796
01:15:39,030 --> 01:15:36,960
doing could be considered

1797
01:15:39,910 --> 01:15:39,040
a form of consumer fraud and i believe

1798
01:15:42,149 --> 01:15:39,920
it is

1799
01:15:43,830 --> 01:15:42,159
and again i'm not uh you know i'm not

1800
01:15:45,510 --> 01:15:43,840
law enforcement i'm not a lawyer so

1801
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:45,520
that's just my opinion

1802
01:15:50,550 --> 01:15:48,080
but it sure looks like fraud to me it

1803
01:15:52,630 --> 01:15:50,560
looks like you intentionally deceiving

1804
01:15:55,189 --> 01:15:52,640
people and taking their money based on

1805
01:15:56,630 --> 01:15:55,199
lies that's fraud

1806
01:15:58,229 --> 01:15:56,640
all right and i want to thank lord

1807
01:16:00,070 --> 01:15:58,239
ludacris plaid for a kind and generous

1808
01:16:02,310 --> 01:16:00,080
dollar 99 super chat thank you for your

1809
01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:02,320
kindness your gener your generosity and

1810
01:16:06,310 --> 01:16:03,840
continued support of the show lord

1811
01:16:08,550 --> 01:16:06,320
ludicrous plaid long time show supporter

1812
01:16:11,189 --> 01:16:08,560
and friend of the show says wasn't she

1813
01:16:12,950 --> 01:16:11,199
also behind serpo along with dodie uh

1814
01:16:14,870 --> 01:16:12,960
yeah i believe she pushed the serpo

1815
01:16:17,430 --> 01:16:14,880
stuff for a long time

1816
01:16:20,630 --> 01:16:17,440
um and we all know that that was a hoax

1817
01:16:22,630 --> 01:16:20,640
well we should know by now i believe

1818
01:16:24,310 --> 01:16:22,640
that the serpo story was a hoax

1819
01:16:26,310 --> 01:16:24,320
perpetrated by

1820
01:16:28,790 --> 01:16:26,320
none other than richard dodie who put

1821
01:16:31,189 --> 01:16:28,800
out those fantastical fairy tales again

1822
01:16:33,270 --> 01:16:31,199
with no evidence again with no proof so

1823
01:16:36,870 --> 01:16:33,280
she runs with some

1824
01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:36,880
random fairy tale story of uh that is

1825
01:16:41,510 --> 01:16:38,560
basically the same story of close

1826
01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:41,520
encounters that we exchanged people

1827
01:16:46,310 --> 01:16:43,920
with an alien race and our people went

1828
01:16:47,510 --> 01:16:46,320
to that uh planet and all of these

1829
01:16:50,470 --> 01:16:47,520
things

1830
01:16:52,310 --> 01:16:50,480
uh yeah it's it's the exact plot of

1831
01:16:57,030 --> 01:16:52,320
close encounters

1832
01:16:59,189 --> 01:16:57,040
and there's no proof there's just posts

1833
01:17:01,350 --> 01:16:59,199
on the internet she ran with that story

1834
01:17:02,870 --> 01:17:01,360
and sold that for quite a while i

1835
01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:02,880
believe so

1836
01:17:07,590 --> 01:17:05,040
i hope i'm not misspeaking i believe

1837
01:17:10,470 --> 01:17:07,600
that i've heard her

1838
01:17:17,990 --> 01:17:10,480
giving lectures or talking about serpo

1839
01:17:22,790 --> 01:17:19,430
okay

1840
01:17:24,229 --> 01:17:22,800
so thank you lord ludacris plaid

1841
01:17:25,110 --> 01:17:24,239
let me check about the live chat real

1842
01:17:27,350 --> 01:17:25,120
fast

1843
01:17:29,189 --> 01:17:27,360
see if we have any more super chats to

1844
01:17:31,590 --> 01:17:29,199
shout out and thank

1845
01:17:33,030 --> 01:17:31,600
and thanks to all the people senate

1846
01:17:34,630 --> 01:17:33,040
super chats thank you for your kindness

1847
01:17:35,430 --> 01:17:34,640
your generosity and your support of the

1848
01:17:37,590 --> 01:17:35,440
show

1849
01:17:39,990 --> 01:17:37,600
uh it really does help us to continue

1850
01:17:41,510 --> 01:17:40,000
doing this good work somebody's gotta

1851
01:17:44,870 --> 01:17:41,520
fact check linda molten hail she's not

1852
01:17:46,470 --> 01:17:44,880
gonna fact check herself right

1853
01:17:50,310 --> 01:17:46,480
all right uh

1854
01:17:53,750 --> 01:17:51,189
maddie

1855
01:17:56,709 --> 01:17:53,760
81 says but steve she has boxes awards

1856
01:17:59,030 --> 01:17:56,719
for being a ufo grifter yeah

1857
01:18:01,030 --> 01:17:59,040
not impressed all right

1858
01:18:04,310 --> 01:18:01,040
so

1859
01:18:06,229 --> 01:18:04,320
now even if we just ended things here

1860
01:18:09,189 --> 01:18:06,239
this these two

1861
01:18:10,229 --> 01:18:09,199
provably fake stories that she's peddled

1862
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:10,239
uh

1863
01:18:13,430 --> 01:18:11,280
should

1864
01:18:16,229 --> 01:18:13,440
call into question every story that

1865
01:18:19,350 --> 01:18:16,239
she's ever sold people and let's

1866
01:18:21,189 --> 01:18:19,360
not mistake this she makes a lot of

1867
01:18:23,830 --> 01:18:21,199
money telling these stories at

1868
01:18:25,990 --> 01:18:23,840
conferences she makes a lot of money

1869
01:18:28,709 --> 01:18:26,000
telling these stories on her monetized

1870
01:18:31,990 --> 01:18:28,719
live streams she makes a lot of money

1871
01:18:34,229 --> 01:18:32,000
from memberships to her website and this

1872
01:18:36,870 --> 01:18:34,239
my friends is the quality

1873
01:18:39,669 --> 01:18:36,880
of her work of her vetting skills of her

1874
01:18:42,870 --> 01:18:39,679
ability to discern if someone is

1875
01:18:45,350 --> 01:18:42,880
truthful or a real or accurate source or

1876
01:18:47,590 --> 01:18:45,360
some screwball just making up stories

1877
01:18:49,669 --> 01:18:47,600
that was never even in the navy let

1878
01:18:52,070 --> 01:18:49,679
alone a navy seal

1879
01:18:54,550 --> 01:18:52,080
and again the challenge is open she can

1880
01:18:57,270 --> 01:18:54,560
call me will conference call don shipley

1881
01:19:01,510 --> 01:18:57,280
and don shipley in two minutes flat will

1882
01:19:03,669 --> 01:19:01,520
tell her and me if her fake navy seal is

1883
01:19:05,110 --> 01:19:03,679
really a real navy seal i'm betting

1884
01:19:07,110 --> 01:19:05,120
she's not going to take me up on that

1885
01:19:09,189 --> 01:19:07,120
and avail herself of a world-renowned

1886
01:19:10,870 --> 01:19:09,199
expert in navy seals

1887
01:19:12,310 --> 01:19:10,880
and that's unfortunate

1888
01:19:14,470 --> 01:19:12,320
shouldn't she want to know if she's

1889
01:19:16,070 --> 01:19:14,480
peddling garbage

1890
01:19:16,950 --> 01:19:16,080
you know she's the one making the money

1891
01:19:18,950 --> 01:19:16,960
here

1892
01:19:20,790 --> 01:19:18,960
she's the one that should call don

1893
01:19:23,590 --> 01:19:20,800
shipley and find out if her source is

1894
01:19:24,950 --> 01:19:23,600
fake or real she's not gonna do that

1895
01:19:27,189 --> 01:19:24,960
why ruin

1896
01:19:30,070 --> 01:19:27,199
a perfectly good alien story you could

1897
01:19:32,310 --> 01:19:30,080
sell with stupid things like facts and

1898
01:19:33,750 --> 01:19:32,320
evidence

1899
01:19:37,669 --> 01:19:33,760
all right

1900
01:19:41,110 --> 01:19:37,679
now we're gonna move on to ufo watchdog

1901
01:19:42,950 --> 01:19:41,120
who has been following linda molten hale

1902
01:19:45,189 --> 01:19:42,960
for decades

1903
01:19:49,750 --> 01:19:45,199
but before we do that i do want to

1904
01:19:56,310 --> 01:19:52,390
next week we're going to have

1905
01:19:57,669 --> 01:19:56,320
a great researcher and uh

1906
01:20:00,229 --> 01:19:57,679
he's going to be talking about the

1907
01:20:02,709 --> 01:20:00,239
recent mothman sightings in and around

1908
01:20:04,709 --> 01:20:02,719
the chicago area which is going to be

1909
01:20:06,229 --> 01:20:04,719
exciting but it's interesting that he

1910
01:20:08,790 --> 01:20:06,239
chimed in on this story and that would

1911
01:20:10,790 --> 01:20:08,800
be one lon strickler who says linda is a

1912
01:20:14,229 --> 01:20:10,800
hack has stolen reports and information

1913
01:20:19,270 --> 01:20:16,229
uh and i believe him because i've heard

1914
01:20:21,750 --> 01:20:19,280
various other people claim that linda

1915
01:20:22,950 --> 01:20:21,760
ran with their stories and sold their

1916
01:20:25,669 --> 01:20:22,960
stories

1917
01:20:26,470 --> 01:20:25,679
without attribution or credit

1918
01:20:27,990 --> 01:20:26,480
uh

1919
01:20:30,390 --> 01:20:28,000
you know but that's just a little thing

1920
01:20:32,950 --> 01:20:30,400
and i wanted to mention that lon will be

1921
01:20:34,950 --> 01:20:32,960
here this thursday at 7 pm eastern time

1922
01:20:37,270 --> 01:20:34,960
and i'm going to make a note right now

1923
01:20:39,750 --> 01:20:37,280
to remind me to ask him about linda

1924
01:20:42,709 --> 01:20:39,760
molten howe lifting some of his research

1925
01:20:44,550 --> 01:20:42,719
without permission and running with his

1926
01:20:48,709 --> 01:20:44,560
information

1927
01:20:51,110 --> 01:20:48,719
and reports um it's another problem

1928
01:20:54,950 --> 01:20:53,350
and again we can end things right here

1929
01:20:56,950 --> 01:20:54,960
and and this should be enough for

1930
01:20:58,870 --> 01:20:56,960
anybody to call into question every

1931
01:21:00,470 --> 01:20:58,880
story that she's ever sold if her

1932
01:21:03,990 --> 01:21:00,480
vetting skills are this terrible and

1933
01:21:06,950 --> 01:21:04,000
she's so willing to believe anything

1934
01:21:08,310 --> 01:21:06,960
you know i just think uh at some point

1935
01:21:10,709 --> 01:21:08,320
you have to say

1936
01:21:15,110 --> 01:21:12,830
no more you're not you're not going to

1937
01:21:17,990 --> 01:21:15,120
accept somebody peddling this kind of

1938
01:21:21,510 --> 01:21:18,000
garbage and let's let's be very

1939
01:21:24,310 --> 01:21:21,520
be very clear in the fact she has made

1940
01:21:29,430 --> 01:21:24,320
probably millions of dollars

1941
01:21:31,350 --> 01:21:29,440
with this level of so-called journalism

1942
01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:31,360
you know and that makes me really sad it

1943
01:21:34,629 --> 01:21:32,800
makes me really sad that somebody can

1944
01:21:39,590 --> 01:21:34,639
make millions of dollars pedal in this

1945
01:21:47,510 --> 01:21:41,990
i'm going to tweet out the link to the

1946
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:51,189
one second

1947
01:21:51,199 --> 01:21:56,390
and we're gonna get to more proof

1948
01:22:00,870 --> 01:21:57,590
you know i'm just going to do one of

1949
01:22:02,950 --> 01:22:00,880
them you can go to ufo watchdog.com and

1950
01:22:04,470 --> 01:22:02,960
there's two separate articles about all

1951
01:22:06,950 --> 01:22:04,480
of her fake stories

1952
01:22:08,870 --> 01:22:06,960
and they're pages and pages long

1953
01:22:13,990 --> 01:22:08,880
because that's how many fake stories

1954
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:24,550
but what we're going to do is

1955
01:22:28,229 --> 01:22:26,550
one second friends let me

1956
01:22:30,310 --> 01:22:28,239
again we're going to cite fair use we're

1957
01:22:32,149 --> 01:22:30,320
going to uh discuss the article that

1958
01:22:33,350 --> 01:22:32,159
we're sharing from you if a watchdog but

1959
01:22:34,790 --> 01:22:33,360
he's a friend of the show i'm sure he

1960
01:22:35,669 --> 01:22:34,800
won't mind

1961
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:35,679
um

1962
01:22:40,790 --> 01:22:38,400
so here is some information

1963
01:22:43,510 --> 01:22:40,800
titled aliens abducted by common sense a

1964
01:22:46,149 --> 01:22:43,520
classic ufo watchdog article by royce

1965
01:22:48,709 --> 01:22:46,159
myers iii

1966
01:22:50,229 --> 01:22:48,719
endorsing another ufo tall tales some

1967
01:22:51,750 --> 01:22:50,239
some question linda molten how's

1968
01:22:54,149 --> 01:22:51,760
dwindling credibility and the

1969
01:22:55,510 --> 01:22:54,159
credibility of others trotting down

1970
01:22:57,350 --> 01:22:55,520
similar paths

1971
01:22:59,750 --> 01:22:57,360
is the need to believe killing common

1972
01:23:02,229 --> 01:22:59,760
sense the value of solid evidence and

1973
01:23:04,709 --> 01:23:02,239
competent investigation by twisting

1974
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:04,719
fallacy into fact

1975
01:23:07,990 --> 01:23:06,480
just exactly how does an investigative

1976
01:23:09,910 --> 01:23:08,000
journalist conduct an investigation

1977
01:23:12,070 --> 01:23:09,920
without investigating the facts maybe we

1978
01:23:14,310 --> 01:23:12,080
should ask linda howe the one-time

1979
01:23:15,990 --> 01:23:14,320
pillar of scientific ufo research seems

1980
01:23:18,310 --> 01:23:16,000
to have fallen straight off the cracker

1981
01:23:19,830 --> 01:23:18,320
truck within the last few years this is

1982
01:23:20,709 --> 01:23:19,840
an article from some time ago i should

1983
01:23:22,470 --> 01:23:20,719
mention

1984
01:23:24,629 --> 01:23:22,480
plunging headfirst

1985
01:23:26,870 --> 01:23:24,639
from forward fact-based journalists to

1986
01:23:30,310 --> 01:23:26,880
what some call a sensationalistic

1987
01:23:32,229 --> 01:23:30,320
hocus-pocus promoter who supports cases

1988
01:23:33,750 --> 01:23:32,239
that appear to fit her views and beliefs

1989
01:23:35,910 --> 01:23:33,760
of the government having knowledge of

1990
01:23:38,149 --> 01:23:35,920
extraterrestrial visitation

1991
01:23:39,669 --> 01:23:38,159
many will recall house previous and much

1992
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:39,679
applauded work in the field of animal

1993
01:23:43,430 --> 01:23:41,360
mutilations namely your excellent

1994
01:23:46,070 --> 01:23:43,440
documentary is strange harvest but

1995
01:23:47,910 --> 01:23:46,080
frankly hal's recent work has suffered

1996
01:23:50,310 --> 01:23:47,920
from a complete lack of credibility as

1997
01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:50,320
she continually trips over bunk ufo

1998
01:23:55,990 --> 01:23:53,040
cases she has publicly promoted and

1999
01:23:58,709 --> 01:23:56,000
appearingly endorsed

2000
01:24:01,430 --> 01:23:58,719
most recently howe was taken

2001
01:24:03,669 --> 01:24:01,440
with the tale of dan burrish and we all

2002
01:24:05,270 --> 01:24:03,679
know dan burst is a proven hoax it's

2003
01:24:07,590 --> 01:24:05,280
been proven time and time again that

2004
01:24:09,350 --> 01:24:07,600
that guy was a complete whack-a-doo

2005
01:24:11,110 --> 01:24:09,360
he wasn't who he said he was his

2006
01:24:13,189 --> 01:24:11,120
education wasn't what he said he was he

2007
01:24:14,870 --> 01:24:13,199
didn't work where he claimed he worked

2008
01:24:16,790 --> 01:24:14,880
in fact he was working as a security

2009
01:24:18,950 --> 01:24:16,800
guard at the same time that he claimed

2010
01:24:20,390 --> 01:24:18,960
he was working at area 51

2011
01:24:22,550 --> 01:24:20,400
you know

2012
01:24:24,390 --> 01:24:22,560
what was it um

2013
01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:24,400
what was the name of that alien i'm

2014
01:24:28,709 --> 01:24:26,400
blanking now

2015
01:24:30,870 --> 01:24:28,719
anyway dan barris told the fantastical

2016
01:24:32,550 --> 01:24:30,880
story it was fake

2017
01:24:34,709 --> 01:24:32,560
and dan burris was a man claiming to be

2018
01:24:36,950 --> 01:24:34,719
a microbiologist working on a top secret

2019
01:24:39,430 --> 01:24:36,960
black ops military project unveiling

2020
01:24:42,629 --> 01:24:39,440
there it is an alien named j-rod oh the

2021
01:24:44,149 --> 01:24:42,639
j-rod story's so fake

2022
01:24:45,750 --> 01:24:44,159
hal wrote several stories for her

2023
01:24:47,430 --> 01:24:45,760
website about burrish personally

2024
01:24:49,110 --> 01:24:47,440
interviewed burst and made appearances

2025
01:24:51,990 --> 01:24:49,120
on radio shows addressing the claims of

2026
01:24:54,470 --> 01:24:52,000
burst as being factual even referring to

2027
01:24:56,470 --> 01:24:54,480
burst as a doctor and a government

2028
01:24:58,629 --> 01:24:56,480
whistleblower

2029
01:25:00,310 --> 01:24:58,639
in a radio interview how was asked if

2030
01:25:02,310 --> 01:25:00,320
she had verified the background claims

2031
01:25:04,709 --> 01:25:02,320
of burrish by the way i know for a fact

2032
01:25:08,070 --> 01:25:04,719
that she didn't

2033
01:25:09,910 --> 01:25:08,080
specifically bearish's alleged education

2034
01:25:11,669 --> 01:25:09,920
hal responded by saying she didn't need

2035
01:25:13,270 --> 01:25:11,679
to see such proof because she believed

2036
01:25:14,950 --> 01:25:13,280
burst was telling the truth due to his

2037
01:25:17,510 --> 01:25:14,960
sincerity

2038
01:25:19,990 --> 01:25:17,520
well now everyone knows bursa's story is

2039
01:25:22,310 --> 01:25:20,000
an absurd work of bad fiction after the

2040
01:25:24,229 --> 01:25:22,320
tale was exposed

2041
01:25:26,229 --> 01:25:24,239
by ufo magazine

2042
01:25:28,709 --> 01:25:26,239
hal failed to return multiple calls for

2043
01:25:30,470 --> 01:25:28,719
comment on the findings of ufo magazine

2044
01:25:32,390 --> 01:25:30,480
according to his publisher

2045
01:25:35,110 --> 01:25:32,400
and again why would linda molten hale

2046
01:25:37,350 --> 01:25:35,120
not return the call of ufo magazine who

2047
01:25:39,830 --> 01:25:37,360
ripped apart dan burnish's story as

2048
01:25:43,510 --> 01:25:39,840
being completely and totally a fake

2049
01:25:45,350 --> 01:25:43,520
fraud made up fairy tale

2050
01:25:47,350 --> 01:25:45,360
she was selling this story for quite a

2051
01:25:49,110 --> 01:25:47,360
while

2052
01:25:51,910 --> 01:25:49,120
how do you make a proclamation without

2053
01:25:54,149 --> 01:25:51,920
having any hard supporting data

2054
01:25:57,030 --> 01:25:54,159
since when do we substantiate sincerity

2055
01:25:57,040 --> 01:26:00,790
part of me

2056
01:26:04,950 --> 01:26:02,629
since when do we substitute sincerity

2057
01:26:08,390 --> 01:26:04,960
for solid evidence

2058
01:26:10,470 --> 01:26:08,400
some people said lee chargo was sincere

2059
01:26:12,310 --> 01:26:10,480
taking sincerity on its face value and

2060
01:26:14,390 --> 01:26:12,320
having a blatant disregard for the facts

2061
01:26:17,510 --> 01:26:14,400
or investigation of facts is becoming an

2062
01:26:19,270 --> 01:26:17,520
all too often favorite pastime of those

2063
01:26:21,030 --> 01:26:19,280
who dare associate their name with the

2064
01:26:23,750 --> 01:26:21,040
title investigative journalist in the

2065
01:26:28,790 --> 01:26:23,760
ufo field let alone those claiming to be

2066
01:26:35,350 --> 01:26:33,750
she also uh was very big on the dr reed

2067
01:26:37,110 --> 01:26:35,360
story for those that don't know dr

2068
01:26:40,870 --> 01:26:37,120
jonathan reed is about the fakest

2069
01:26:44,070 --> 01:26:40,880
stupidest story that i've ever seen

2070
01:26:46,310 --> 01:26:44,080
it's so laughable and stupid the the

2071
01:26:49,189 --> 01:26:46,320
so-called evidence for the jonathan reed

2072
01:26:51,990 --> 01:26:49,199
is a joke it's like him with a dummy in

2073
01:26:54,709 --> 01:26:52,000
his garage claiming it was an alien

2074
01:26:56,870 --> 01:26:54,719
and uh there was also another video

2075
01:26:58,870 --> 01:26:56,880
which dr jonathan reed got busted on it

2076
01:27:01,350 --> 01:26:58,880
was like the link video he had some kind

2077
01:27:03,270 --> 01:27:01,360
of bracelet from an alien and he did a

2078
01:27:05,750 --> 01:27:03,280
video where he like teleported but

2079
01:27:07,110 --> 01:27:05,760
somebody caught him using sound effects

2080
01:27:09,750 --> 01:27:07,120
from the

2081
01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:09,760
uh movie the

2082
01:27:14,550 --> 01:27:11,760
the illusionist he took

2083
01:27:16,950 --> 01:27:14,560
uh a woman gasping sound effect and put

2084
01:27:20,310 --> 01:27:16,960
it on his video where he was activating

2085
01:27:24,310 --> 01:27:22,229
saying about reid we soon began a

2086
01:27:26,149 --> 01:27:24,320
dialogue in which i found dr reed to be

2087
01:27:28,390 --> 01:27:26,159
very sincere

2088
01:27:30,950 --> 01:27:28,400
quiet and soft-spoken person by the way

2089
01:27:32,629 --> 01:27:30,960
dr reed was not a real doctor he made up

2090
01:27:34,790 --> 01:27:32,639
his education she didn't even check his

2091
01:27:36,870 --> 01:27:34,800
education dr reed wasn't a doctor he was

2092
01:27:38,870 --> 01:27:36,880
a fraud

2093
01:27:41,189 --> 01:27:38,880
mufon orange

2094
01:27:43,270 --> 01:27:41,199
writing in support of the read ufo fraud

2095
01:27:44,709 --> 01:27:43,280
after finding dr reed sincere oh i'm

2096
01:27:47,189 --> 01:27:44,719
sorry she didn't say that somebody else

2097
01:27:48,550 --> 01:27:47,199
did but speaking of people claiming the

2098
01:27:51,430 --> 01:27:48,560
title investigative journalists and

2099
01:27:53,350 --> 01:27:51,440
disregarding the facts jaime musa

2100
01:27:54,950 --> 01:27:53,360
climbed a port of dr reed train claiming

2101
01:27:56,229 --> 01:27:54,960
the case was not only authentic but to

2102
01:27:58,310 --> 01:27:56,239
have personally verified all the

2103
01:28:00,229 --> 01:27:58,320
witnesses to have conducted real

2104
01:28:02,390 --> 01:28:00,239
scientific analysis of evidence and have

2105
01:28:03,990 --> 01:28:02,400
been warned by its alleged government

2106
01:28:07,669 --> 01:28:04,000
context that the case was real and

2107
01:28:09,189 --> 01:28:07,679
dangerous musan was not alone as many

2108
01:28:11,350 --> 01:28:09,199
other so-called

2109
01:28:14,070 --> 01:28:11,360
investigators joined in promoting dr

2110
01:28:16,709 --> 01:28:14,080
reed including dan ayara and ron garner

2111
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:16,719
among others

2112
01:28:20,149 --> 01:28:18,400
in the end it turned out that dr reed

2113
01:28:22,390 --> 01:28:20,159
was really a con man named jonathan

2114
01:28:24,310 --> 01:28:22,400
bradley rudder writer supposed witnesses

2115
01:28:26,149 --> 01:28:24,320
were cohorts in the hoax mason couldn't

2116
01:28:27,910 --> 01:28:26,159
produce his alleged scientific evidence

2117
01:28:29,910 --> 01:28:27,920
when challenged in the case came

2118
01:28:32,310 --> 01:28:29,920
crashing down hard

2119
01:28:35,110 --> 01:28:32,320
on the true believers champion still

2120
01:28:38,149 --> 01:28:35,120
championing the bogus case don iara was

2121
01:28:39,830 --> 01:28:38,159
reportedly moved to tears over the story

2122
01:28:41,350 --> 01:28:39,840
uh that he was invited to speak three

2123
01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:41,360
times at the international ufo

2124
01:28:45,590 --> 01:28:43,440
conference as a keynote speaker

2125
01:28:48,149 --> 01:28:45,600
linda howe actually spent hours talking

2126
01:28:51,270 --> 01:28:48,159
with the bogus dr reed

2127
01:28:54,149 --> 01:28:51,280
and uber supporter dan ayara at a ufo

2128
01:28:57,110 --> 01:28:54,159
conference apparently seven hours

2129
01:28:59,270 --> 01:28:57,120
dr reed case reached heights not

2130
01:29:01,910 --> 01:28:59,280
obtained by far more deserving cases

2131
01:29:04,870 --> 01:29:01,920
divided the field as to its veracity and

2132
01:29:06,950 --> 01:29:04,880
gave ufology a whopping black eye when

2133
01:29:08,870 --> 01:29:06,960
it was exposed as fraudulent on this

2134
01:29:11,270 --> 01:29:08,880
website

2135
01:29:13,110 --> 01:29:11,280
some may recall the tale of here's

2136
01:29:15,830 --> 01:29:13,120
another fake story she's involved in

2137
01:29:18,870 --> 01:29:15,840
it's just it goes on and on friends

2138
01:29:21,189 --> 01:29:18,880
uh eurander olyria a well-known ufo

2139
01:29:22,790 --> 01:29:21,199
hoaxer he is a ufo hoaxer it's been

2140
01:29:25,030 --> 01:29:22,800
proven time and time again that this man

2141
01:29:27,590 --> 01:29:25,040
was a hoaxer and cult leader according

2142
01:29:29,430 --> 01:29:27,600
to the brazilian ufo community

2143
01:29:31,350 --> 01:29:29,440
oliveria who claimed that he had been

2144
01:29:33,430 --> 01:29:31,360
abducted by aliens paid for hal's trip

2145
01:29:36,229 --> 01:29:33,440
to brazil and secretly flew her in to

2146
01:29:38,709 --> 01:29:36,239
investigate his claims

2147
01:29:41,189 --> 01:29:38,719
hal reportedly did not contact

2148
01:29:43,510 --> 01:29:41,199
established brazilian ufo investigators

2149
01:29:45,990 --> 01:29:43,520
where the consensus is

2150
01:29:47,669 --> 01:29:46,000
olivaria's ufo claims are

2151
01:29:49,430 --> 01:29:47,679
anything but legitimate so she didn't

2152
01:29:51,110 --> 01:29:49,440
even bother to check in with other

2153
01:29:53,110 --> 01:29:51,120
researchers in that country she just

2154
01:29:55,430 --> 01:29:53,120
believed the guy's story

2155
01:29:57,590 --> 01:29:55,440
oliveria provided hal with his supposed

2156
01:29:58,950 --> 01:29:57,600
evidence some bert bedding and some

2157
01:30:00,870 --> 01:29:58,960
rocks

2158
01:30:02,950 --> 01:30:00,880
hal did have the items examined and the

2159
01:30:04,390 --> 01:30:02,960
original scientific report concluded

2160
01:30:06,870 --> 01:30:04,400
there was nothing extraordinary about

2161
01:30:09,510 --> 01:30:06,880
the evidence the rocks were found to be

2162
01:30:11,990 --> 01:30:09,520
moku marbles

2163
01:30:12,790 --> 01:30:12,000
or is it makai i don't know how you say

2164
01:30:15,910 --> 01:30:12,800
that

2165
01:30:17,910 --> 01:30:15,920
m-o-q-u-i marbles a common rock popular

2166
01:30:19,669 --> 01:30:17,920
among new age shops

2167
01:30:21,750 --> 01:30:19,679
hal then sought out other professionals

2168
01:30:24,629 --> 01:30:21,760
for answers apparently not satisfied

2169
01:30:26,229 --> 01:30:24,639
with the original scientific uh findings

2170
01:30:28,870 --> 01:30:26,239
in spite of having used original

2171
01:30:31,510 --> 01:30:28,880
examiner examiners on their cases

2172
01:30:33,830 --> 01:30:31,520
without question so linda molten hal

2173
01:30:35,590 --> 01:30:33,840
takes evidence from this ufo hoaxer who

2174
01:30:38,070 --> 01:30:35,600
says it's something alien when it turns

2175
01:30:38,950 --> 01:30:38,080
out to be common rocks popular new age

2176
01:30:41,030 --> 01:30:38,960
shops

2177
01:30:44,229 --> 01:30:41,040
she has an expert look at it who tells

2178
01:30:45,830 --> 01:30:44,239
her it's a it's a it's a common rock

2179
01:30:47,510 --> 01:30:45,840
common in new age shops she doesn't

2180
01:30:49,510 --> 01:30:47,520
believe that

2181
01:30:51,270 --> 01:30:49,520
according to how the melting of the

2182
01:30:53,350 --> 01:30:51,280
fibers in the burnt bedding observed at

2183
01:30:55,189 --> 01:30:53,360
the microscopic level could not be

2184
01:30:59,830 --> 01:30:55,199
reproduced

2185
01:31:02,229 --> 01:30:59,840
by the original two examiners the same

2186
01:31:04,229 --> 01:31:02,239
examiners who found rocks oliveira said

2187
01:31:05,030 --> 01:31:04,239
fell from the sky to be nothing more

2188
01:31:07,110 --> 01:31:05,040
than

2189
01:31:08,870 --> 01:31:07,120
mocu marbles

2190
01:31:10,470 --> 01:31:08,880
hal took it a step further by having

2191
01:31:12,310 --> 01:31:10,480
geologists from a pennsylvania

2192
01:31:14,790 --> 01:31:12,320
university examine the stones and how

2193
01:31:17,030 --> 01:31:14,800
apparently took what was said by one

2194
01:31:19,189 --> 01:31:17,040
geologist completely out of context

2195
01:31:20,229 --> 01:31:19,199
making the rocks appear more than they

2196
01:31:22,950 --> 01:31:20,239
were

2197
01:31:25,430 --> 01:31:22,960
so again she takes what the experts tell

2198
01:31:27,110 --> 01:31:25,440
her and she twists it to sell the story

2199
01:31:29,830 --> 01:31:27,120
hal claimed she had done nothing but

2200
01:31:32,149 --> 01:31:29,840
science on this case this is what was

2201
01:31:34,149 --> 01:31:32,159
said between coast to coast am

2202
01:31:37,590 --> 01:31:34,159
host george nori and linda hal during a

2203
01:31:40,870 --> 01:31:37,600
broadcast discussion of the bunk brazil

2204
01:31:43,750 --> 01:31:40,880
hoax case nori unbelievable absolutely

2205
01:31:45,510 --> 01:31:43,760
stunning you know what this is

2206
01:31:47,430 --> 01:31:45,520
that is as historical as i have ever

2207
01:31:49,510 --> 01:31:47,440
heard you may be walking around with

2208
01:31:52,310 --> 01:31:49,520
actual evidence from an unidentified

2209
01:31:53,750 --> 01:31:52,320
flying object of course george snoring

2210
01:31:54,709 --> 01:31:53,760
is too dumb to know that they're just

2211
01:31:57,030 --> 01:31:54,719
rocks

2212
01:32:01,990 --> 01:31:59,590
hal says yes i think this is the case

2213
01:32:03,830 --> 01:32:02,000
uh despite the controversy that it never

2214
01:32:04,950 --> 01:32:03,840
deserved in the first place i've always

2215
01:32:07,110 --> 01:32:04,960
felt you know

2216
01:32:08,550 --> 01:32:07,120
you always go for the physical evidence

2217
01:32:09,750 --> 01:32:08,560
and you see what the science says and

2218
01:32:11,830 --> 01:32:09,760
then you let

2219
01:32:13,270 --> 01:32:11,840
the science stands for where it leads

2220
01:32:14,950 --> 01:32:13,280
but in this case she didn't because

2221
01:32:17,030 --> 01:32:14,960
experts told her they were just rocks

2222
01:32:19,910 --> 01:32:17,040
and she's still trying to sell his alien

2223
01:32:21,669 --> 01:32:19,920
rocks it's so stupid

2224
01:32:23,430 --> 01:32:21,679
the science done in the first place led

2225
01:32:26,470 --> 01:32:23,440
hal down the path of

2226
01:32:28,149 --> 01:32:26,480
oliveria's evidence being mundane but

2227
01:32:30,550 --> 01:32:28,159
the science apparently didn't appeal to

2228
01:32:32,149 --> 01:32:30,560
hal why haven't we heard any follow-up

2229
01:32:33,910 --> 01:32:32,159
of the examination of the stones that

2230
01:32:35,189 --> 01:32:33,920
air was conducting let alone the rest of

2231
01:32:37,110 --> 01:32:35,199
the case

2232
01:32:39,510 --> 01:32:37,120
last we heard how was having the rocks

2233
01:32:41,510 --> 01:32:39,520
examined and would report the findings

2234
01:32:43,270 --> 01:32:41,520
we haven't heard anything yet and this

2235
01:32:44,870 --> 01:32:43,280
is another anatomy of a hoax you tell

2236
01:32:47,270 --> 01:32:44,880
people you're going to get more

2237
01:32:49,189 --> 01:32:47,280
scientific study more evidence from

2238
01:32:50,790 --> 01:32:49,199
experts and then you never do you just

2239
01:32:52,390 --> 01:32:50,800
keep selling the story

2240
01:32:53,750 --> 01:32:52,400
and if anybody ever calls you on where

2241
01:32:55,669 --> 01:32:53,760
those reports are you tell me still

2242
01:32:57,669 --> 01:32:55,679
working on it she never produced

2243
01:32:59,990 --> 01:32:57,679
anything proving that these things were

2244
01:33:02,070 --> 01:33:00,000
anything but rocks the experts told her

2245
01:33:03,750 --> 01:33:02,080
they were rocks she didn't believe them

2246
01:33:07,830 --> 01:33:03,760
she goes on coast to coast talking about

2247
01:33:08,629 --> 01:33:07,840
her alien flying saucer pieces

2248
01:33:10,629 --> 01:33:08,639
it be

2249
01:33:12,310 --> 01:33:10,639
that hal paid a visit to pennsylvania

2250
01:33:14,070 --> 01:33:12,320
geologists working on the stones and

2251
01:33:15,510 --> 01:33:14,080
took the stones with no explanation or

2252
01:33:17,189 --> 01:33:15,520
further analysis

2253
01:33:19,830 --> 01:33:17,199
that's what reportedly happened

2254
01:33:21,990 --> 01:33:19,840
according to dr art johnson so ufo watch

2255
01:33:23,590 --> 01:33:22,000
don't talk to the guy who told her these

2256
01:33:25,110 --> 01:33:23,600
are just rocks

2257
01:33:27,669 --> 01:33:25,120
one of pennsylvania geologists

2258
01:33:29,270 --> 01:33:27,679
approached by how dr johnson stated he

2259
01:33:30,790 --> 01:33:29,280
was no longer working on the stones and

2260
01:33:33,030 --> 01:33:30,800
that he believed that hal took the

2261
01:33:35,510 --> 01:33:33,040
stones how about another hal favorite

2262
01:33:37,270 --> 01:33:35,520
the notorious arts parts alleged roswell

2263
01:33:39,350 --> 01:33:37,280
ufo debris by the way that stuff's

2264
01:33:41,910 --> 01:33:39,360
making the rounds again it was proven to

2265
01:33:44,310 --> 01:33:41,920
be nothing out of the ordinary back when

2266
01:33:47,189 --> 01:33:44,320
she was selling that fairy tale but now

2267
01:33:48,870 --> 01:33:47,199
new people are going to do new analysis

2268
01:33:51,350 --> 01:33:48,880
hal is still claiming that these pieces

2269
01:33:53,350 --> 01:33:51,360
of metal are anomalous and levitate when

2270
01:33:56,790 --> 01:33:53,360
given an electrical charge

2271
01:33:59,910 --> 01:33:58,149
okay

2272
01:34:01,669 --> 01:33:59,920
however a little-known report by

2273
01:34:03,910 --> 01:34:01,679
scientific research technologist

2274
01:34:05,430 --> 01:34:03,920
nicholas ryder made the request of how

2275
01:34:07,990 --> 01:34:05,440
sheds much light on the mythos

2276
01:34:10,149 --> 01:34:08,000
surrounding these alleged ufo fragments

2277
01:34:12,070 --> 01:34:10,159
hal asked writer if he could reproduce

2278
01:34:15,030 --> 01:34:12,080
the structure of the material bismuth

2279
01:34:17,750 --> 01:34:15,040
and magnesium the technologist did just

2280
01:34:19,510 --> 01:34:17,760
that and how was unwilling to accept the

2281
01:34:22,310 --> 01:34:19,520
result because it apparently did not

2282
01:34:23,990 --> 01:34:22,320
look exactly like the original pieces

2283
01:34:25,830 --> 01:34:24,000
and was not as thick

2284
01:34:28,870 --> 01:34:25,840
writer stated in a letter to ufo

2285
01:34:30,709 --> 01:34:28,880
watchdog.com given more thickness i feel

2286
01:34:32,550 --> 01:34:30,719
confident that i could have pretty well

2287
01:34:33,669 --> 01:34:32,560
produced the piece given to me by linda

2288
01:34:36,229 --> 01:34:33,679
molten hale

2289
01:34:37,990 --> 01:34:36,239
you can read writer's report here and

2290
01:34:40,229 --> 01:34:38,000
again i'll i'll try to put a link to

2291
01:34:42,550 --> 01:34:40,239
that in the video description so

2292
01:34:44,709 --> 01:34:42,560
she goes to a scientist a material

2293
01:34:46,790 --> 01:34:44,719
scientist who reproduces the materials

2294
01:34:48,550 --> 01:34:46,800
that she claims came from flying saucer

2295
01:34:50,950 --> 01:34:48,560
and couldn't be anything but alien

2296
01:34:55,350 --> 01:34:50,960
technology the guy reproduces it she

2297
01:35:00,790 --> 01:34:57,830
uh that expert says hal's opinion was

2298
01:35:02,950 --> 01:35:00,800
that i had offered no resemblance to her

2299
01:35:04,629 --> 01:35:02,960
sample but she never did make any

2300
01:35:06,870 --> 01:35:04,639
detailed and accurate reference to it

2301
01:35:08,870 --> 01:35:06,880
either scientific research technologist

2302
01:35:11,189 --> 01:35:08,880
nicholas ryder on linda hales requested

2303
01:35:13,030 --> 01:35:11,199
examination and replication of arts

2304
01:35:14,709 --> 01:35:13,040
parts so he was able to replicate him

2305
01:35:16,550 --> 01:35:14,719
she didn't like that

2306
01:35:18,709 --> 01:35:16,560
is hal inserting her own theory or

2307
01:35:20,390 --> 01:35:18,719
belief as to what the ufo phenomenon

2308
01:35:22,310 --> 01:35:20,400
actually is

2309
01:35:24,149 --> 01:35:22,320
in some cases she reports even when

2310
01:35:25,430 --> 01:35:24,159
findings are mundane regarding something

2311
01:35:26,629 --> 01:35:25,440
originally thought of as being

2312
01:35:28,790 --> 01:35:26,639
mysterious

2313
01:35:30,390 --> 01:35:28,800
either a case in new york where a deer

2314
01:35:31,910 --> 01:35:30,400
was found resting in a tree while the

2315
01:35:33,669 --> 01:35:31,920
cause of death found an annual

2316
01:35:36,310 --> 01:35:33,679
pathologist turned out to be an arrow

2317
01:35:38,310 --> 01:35:36,320
killing the deer hal somehow tried to

2318
01:35:41,590 --> 01:35:38,320
turn this known event into an encounter

2319
01:35:43,510 --> 01:35:41,600
with the unknown making a dizzying leap

2320
01:35:45,590 --> 01:35:43,520
by somehow trying to connect an older

2321
01:35:47,270 --> 01:35:45,600
bigfoot report to the original story

2322
01:35:48,310 --> 01:35:47,280
which was absolutely no mention of a

2323
01:35:50,790 --> 01:35:48,320
bigfoot

2324
01:35:53,510 --> 01:35:50,800
so what is going on where is the common

2325
01:35:55,510 --> 01:35:53,520
sense factor in

2326
01:35:57,910 --> 01:35:55,520
in this and all these cases and other

2327
01:35:59,910 --> 01:35:57,920
cases that have plagued the ufo field

2328
01:36:01,750 --> 01:35:59,920
are people weaving their own agenda into

2329
01:36:03,030 --> 01:36:01,760
these stories or are

2330
01:36:06,229 --> 01:36:03,040
these reported

2331
01:36:08,070 --> 01:36:06,239
cases of bad investigation

2332
01:36:11,030 --> 01:36:08,080
yeah and i i definitely think this is

2333
01:36:12,709 --> 01:36:11,040
cases of bad investigation and not doing

2334
01:36:15,910 --> 01:36:12,719
the least little bit of work

2335
01:36:20,470 --> 01:36:18,390
and the death of common sense and true

2336
01:36:22,470 --> 01:36:20,480
investigation begins when people accept

2337
01:36:24,229 --> 01:36:22,480
any sensational ufo claim based on

2338
01:36:26,790 --> 01:36:24,239
nothing more than a story flimsy

2339
01:36:28,390 --> 01:36:26,800
evidence and someone sincerity we see

2340
01:36:29,830 --> 01:36:28,400
more and more investigators doing this

2341
01:36:32,149 --> 01:36:29,840
in spite of all the evidence to the

2342
01:36:34,149 --> 01:36:32,159
contrary those in the ufo field are not

2343
01:36:36,229 --> 01:36:34,159
the only ones guilty of such egregious

2344
01:36:38,310 --> 01:36:36,239
violations the skeptics also have more

2345
01:36:40,709 --> 01:36:38,320
than their fair share of flip flame

2346
01:36:43,669 --> 01:36:40,719
cases and explanations for dismissing

2347
01:36:45,750 --> 01:36:43,679
anything that there's to creep out

2348
01:36:47,350 --> 01:36:45,760
of a tight-knit box

2349
01:36:50,149 --> 01:36:47,360
when we see these investigators come

2350
01:36:52,310 --> 01:36:50,159
forward with a ufo case hype it up make

2351
01:36:54,790 --> 01:36:52,320
the media rounds and by the way make the

2352
01:36:56,470 --> 01:36:54,800
money on that story

2353
01:36:59,830 --> 01:36:56,480
and he goes on to say present a case of

2354
01:37:01,669 --> 01:36:59,840
astonishing or as the smoking gun

2355
01:37:03,990 --> 01:37:01,679
but they have yet to fully investigate

2356
01:37:05,990 --> 01:37:04,000
it we later see the case fall apart

2357
01:37:07,990 --> 01:37:06,000
after someone picks up the pieces of a

2358
01:37:10,070 --> 01:37:08,000
disjointed investigation

2359
01:37:13,430 --> 01:37:10,080
and the completed puzzle reveals a case

2360
01:37:15,990 --> 01:37:13,440
full of lies inconsistencies innuendos

2361
01:37:18,229 --> 01:37:16,000
and complete lack of evidence of course

2362
01:37:20,629 --> 01:37:18,239
when this happens the modus operandi of

2363
01:37:22,310 --> 01:37:20,639
the original investigator is usually one

2364
01:37:23,590 --> 01:37:22,320
of the following and here's where me and

2365
01:37:26,550 --> 01:37:23,600
ufo

2366
01:37:29,669 --> 01:37:26,560
uh watchdog agree this is a lot like my

2367
01:37:30,629 --> 01:37:29,679
how to run a a ufo hoax step-by-step

2368
01:37:34,470 --> 01:37:30,639
guide

2369
01:37:36,470 --> 01:37:34,480
this is what he says the hoaxers do lay

2370
01:37:38,550 --> 01:37:36,480
low until the fjord blows over and

2371
01:37:41,350 --> 01:37:38,560
resurfaced with new

2372
01:37:43,350 --> 01:37:41,360
sense sensationalistic case yeah we've

2373
01:37:45,590 --> 01:37:43,360
seen wilcock and

2374
01:37:47,430 --> 01:37:45,600
we've seen linda mull and hal do this

2375
01:37:49,270 --> 01:37:47,440
that's what they do lay low until the

2376
01:37:51,750 --> 01:37:49,280
fuhrer blows over and resurface with new

2377
01:37:53,910 --> 01:37:51,760
sensationalistic case

2378
01:37:56,470 --> 01:37:53,920
two act as though nothing ever happened

2379
01:37:57,350 --> 01:37:56,480
and ignore all inquiries

2380
01:37:59,910 --> 01:37:57,360
three

2381
01:38:02,709 --> 01:37:59,920
cry cover-up or blame it on an agenda of

2382
01:38:04,870 --> 01:38:02,719
jealousy by others in the field four

2383
01:38:06,550 --> 01:38:04,880
play victim and then claim credit for

2384
01:38:09,030 --> 01:38:06,560
exposing the truth

2385
01:38:11,030 --> 01:38:09,040
all too often a ufo case or story is

2386
01:38:13,270 --> 01:38:11,040
made public but the investigation is not

2387
01:38:15,350 --> 01:38:13,280
complete and the public is left with an

2388
01:38:17,750 --> 01:38:15,360
initial story an investigator throwing

2389
01:38:19,669 --> 01:38:17,760
their name around and little more

2390
01:38:21,830 --> 01:38:19,679
the public is left with promises of

2391
01:38:23,910 --> 01:38:21,840
further scientific analysis on alleged

2392
01:38:26,149 --> 01:38:23,920
evidence and follow-up reports to be

2393
01:38:28,629 --> 01:38:26,159
issued how many times have we heard this

2394
01:38:29,750 --> 01:38:28,639
only hear nothing ever again too many

2395
01:38:31,990 --> 01:38:29,760
times

2396
01:38:34,229 --> 01:38:32,000
in the cases of dan burrish and dr reed

2397
01:38:35,990 --> 01:38:34,239
the tales continue to be woven without a

2398
01:38:38,070 --> 01:38:36,000
more thorough check by those making the

2399
01:38:41,109 --> 01:38:38,080
most noise about the cases

2400
01:38:43,270 --> 01:38:41,119
instead of uh investing common sense to

2401
01:38:45,030 --> 01:38:43,280
look into the background of the story

2402
01:38:46,790 --> 01:38:45,040
those enamored with the story get caught

2403
01:38:48,709 --> 01:38:46,800
up in the foreground and claim the story

2404
01:38:50,709 --> 01:38:48,719
is far too complex

2405
01:38:52,790 --> 01:38:50,719
common sense yes common sense is still

2406
01:38:54,310 --> 01:38:52,800
applicable to the uncommon and the

2407
01:38:57,189 --> 01:38:54,320
complex

2408
01:38:59,510 --> 01:38:57,199
this is about investigation not need

2409
01:39:01,430 --> 01:38:59,520
however i've found all too often that

2410
01:39:03,750 --> 01:39:01,440
the need to believe is the most powerful

2411
01:39:05,590 --> 01:39:03,760
and dangerous factor in this field the

2412
01:39:08,470 --> 01:39:05,600
need to believe where a desire and

2413
01:39:10,950 --> 01:39:08,480
willingness to believe in and or promote

2414
01:39:12,870 --> 01:39:10,960
something is placed ahead of common

2415
01:39:13,830 --> 01:39:12,880
sense judgment and investigation of the

2416
01:39:15,910 --> 01:39:13,840
facts

2417
01:39:17,669 --> 01:39:15,920
when we begin doing this and not asking

2418
01:39:21,030 --> 01:39:17,679
or attempting to answer hard questions

2419
01:39:23,189 --> 01:39:21,040
or hold people accountable this is when

2420
01:39:25,109 --> 01:39:23,199
we start to become part of the problem

2421
01:39:27,109 --> 01:39:25,119
and not part of the solution

2422
01:39:29,510 --> 01:39:27,119
this is when we actively engage in

2423
01:39:31,109 --> 01:39:29,520
spreading disinformation that hot button

2424
01:39:33,669 --> 01:39:31,119
word ufos

2425
01:39:36,550 --> 01:39:33,679
ufo and conspiracy buffs have associated

2426
01:39:38,950 --> 01:39:36,560
with evil cabals and propaganda machines

2427
01:39:40,870 --> 01:39:38,960
aimed at silent silencing another

2428
01:39:42,470 --> 01:39:40,880
overused catch-all

2429
01:39:44,709 --> 01:39:42,480
the truth

2430
01:39:47,510 --> 01:39:44,719
and he ends with a quote they told me i

2431
01:39:48,390 --> 01:39:47,520
was gullible and i leave them

2432
01:39:49,910 --> 01:39:48,400
so

2433
01:39:51,270 --> 01:39:49,920
uh

2434
01:39:54,310 --> 01:39:51,280
there we have it friends that's about

2435
01:39:56,950 --> 01:39:54,320
all i have for you and again there's

2436
01:39:58,709 --> 01:39:56,960
more there's more articles about all the

2437
01:40:00,390 --> 01:39:58,719
fake stories that she has been involved

2438
01:40:02,390 --> 01:40:00,400
in over the years i could go for another

2439
01:40:04,470 --> 01:40:02,400
three hours here but i think we've

2440
01:40:06,950 --> 01:40:04,480
proven our point in that

2441
01:40:10,790 --> 01:40:08,950
just because you did good work once

2442
01:40:12,550 --> 01:40:10,800
doesn't mean you get a pass for 40 years

2443
01:40:14,310 --> 01:40:12,560
to sell fake garbage

2444
01:40:15,270 --> 01:40:14,320
and that's all i was saying with my

2445
01:40:17,590 --> 01:40:15,280
question

2446
01:40:19,510 --> 01:40:17,600
and that's all i was asking and and i

2447
01:40:20,830 --> 01:40:19,520
was trying to get to

2448
01:40:24,070 --> 01:40:20,840
the

2449
01:40:26,310 --> 01:40:24,080
truth behind why she would run with such

2450
01:40:28,390 --> 01:40:26,320
a flimsy garbage story

2451
01:40:32,229 --> 01:40:28,400
and double down on it and triple down on

2452
01:40:35,990 --> 01:40:33,830
i said it before and i'll say it again

2453
01:40:37,750 --> 01:40:36,000
the purpose of this video and in me

2454
01:40:41,030 --> 01:40:37,760
asking that question was certainly not

2455
01:40:43,109 --> 01:40:41,040
to defame her or humiliate her or damage

2456
01:40:45,910 --> 01:40:43,119
her legacy i mean honestly i don't think

2457
01:40:47,510 --> 01:40:45,920
she has a legacy she has a legacy of

2458
01:40:48,790 --> 01:40:47,520
being involved in fake stories for

2459
01:40:50,790 --> 01:40:48,800
decades

2460
01:40:53,830 --> 01:40:50,800
um

2461
01:40:56,709 --> 01:40:53,840
but i do i did apologize to kurt from

2462
01:40:57,990 --> 01:40:56,719
theories of everything because

2463
01:40:59,910 --> 01:40:58,000
you know i knew she was going to get

2464
01:41:02,149 --> 01:40:59,920
upset at the question that she was being

2465
01:41:03,990 --> 01:41:02,159
asked but i never thought that she would

2466
01:41:05,350 --> 01:41:04,000
lie and act like she didn't know what he

2467
01:41:07,590 --> 01:41:05,360
was talking about

2468
01:41:09,350 --> 01:41:07,600
we can see from her public internet post

2469
01:41:11,590 --> 01:41:09,360
this is only a few years ago

2470
01:41:13,990 --> 01:41:11,600
and she famously tells everybody that

2471
01:41:15,990 --> 01:41:14,000
she has a photographic memory

2472
01:41:17,510 --> 01:41:16,000
dodie told me that she does actually

2473
01:41:19,189 --> 01:41:17,520
have a photographic memory she can

2474
01:41:21,430 --> 01:41:19,199
memorize

2475
01:41:23,669 --> 01:41:21,440
you know whole pages of things

2476
01:41:25,510 --> 01:41:23,679
but somehow when confronted with

2477
01:41:27,910 --> 01:41:25,520
evidence that she faked the story with a

2478
01:41:30,070 --> 01:41:27,920
video game cover this woman that has a

2479
01:41:32,390 --> 01:41:30,080
photographic memory suddenly comes down

2480
01:41:34,709 --> 01:41:32,400
with a case of selective amnesia

2481
01:41:36,390 --> 01:41:34,719
so i apologize to kirk from theories of

2482
01:41:39,189 --> 01:41:36,400
everything and i'm here apologizing to

2483
01:41:40,709 --> 01:41:39,199
him publicly because he was very upset

2484
01:41:43,109 --> 01:41:40,719
he was like sick to his stomach over

2485
01:41:45,510 --> 01:41:43,119
this because he never had a guest react

2486
01:41:46,950 --> 01:41:45,520
that badly to a question and i felt

2487
01:41:48,950 --> 01:41:46,960
terrible because

2488
01:41:50,149 --> 01:41:48,960
i told him she's not going to react well

2489
01:41:52,950 --> 01:41:50,159
to this question you should put it

2490
01:41:55,750 --> 01:41:52,960
towards the end if you use my question

2491
01:41:57,270 --> 01:41:55,760
but i also you know i i knew she was

2492
01:42:00,229 --> 01:41:57,280
going to re i told him she's not going

2493
01:42:01,510 --> 01:42:00,239
to react well to this but even i had no

2494
01:42:04,709 --> 01:42:01,520
idea

2495
01:42:08,070 --> 01:42:04,719
uh that she would react that badly

2496
01:42:11,189 --> 01:42:08,080
to to being confronted with her fraudery

2497
01:42:13,109 --> 01:42:11,199
and and forgery and fakery

2498
01:42:15,430 --> 01:42:13,119
and

2499
01:42:16,790 --> 01:42:15,440
so i apologize to kurt if i had known

2500
01:42:19,109 --> 01:42:16,800
that it was going to go like that i

2501
01:42:21,510 --> 01:42:19,119
would have just said i'll skip this one

2502
01:42:24,629 --> 01:42:21,520
you know but i had to i had to press the

2503
01:42:27,189 --> 01:42:24,639
issue because i think that this is this

2504
01:42:29,030 --> 01:42:27,199
is a teachable moment especially for new

2505
01:42:30,070 --> 01:42:29,040
people entering the field and wanting to

2506
01:42:33,669 --> 01:42:30,080
be

2507
01:42:34,870 --> 01:42:33,679
podcast host that talks about these

2508
01:42:36,950 --> 01:42:34,880
subjects do you want to be an

2509
01:42:38,950 --> 01:42:36,960
investigative journalist do you want to

2510
01:42:41,510 --> 01:42:38,960
you know be a researcher do you want to

2511
01:42:44,390 --> 01:42:41,520
be a writer and write about these things

2512
01:42:45,830 --> 01:42:44,400
this is a teachable moment

2513
01:42:47,590 --> 01:42:45,840
don't

2514
01:42:48,790 --> 01:42:47,600
do it like her

2515
01:42:50,470 --> 01:42:48,800
because

2516
01:42:53,350 --> 01:42:50,480
you know i'm sorry

2517
01:42:55,669 --> 01:42:53,360
it's it's laughable work it's not work

2518
01:42:59,030 --> 01:42:55,679
she has gotten by selling garbage to

2519
01:43:00,629 --> 01:42:59,040
people and made millions at it

2520
01:43:03,910 --> 01:43:00,639
and you know there's people that are

2521
01:43:07,109 --> 01:43:03,920
doing really good credible research

2522
01:43:09,830 --> 01:43:07,119
really good deep dive digging

2523
01:43:13,270 --> 01:43:09,840
investigative journalism that don't make

2524
01:43:15,030 --> 01:43:13,280
a tenth or a fifth of what she makes

2525
01:43:16,790 --> 01:43:15,040
selling this garbage

2526
01:43:19,430 --> 01:43:16,800
and that makes me sad

2527
01:43:20,709 --> 01:43:19,440
that makes me absolutely sad

2528
01:43:22,950 --> 01:43:20,719
um

2529
01:43:25,189 --> 01:43:22,960
you know i get it controversy sells

2530
01:43:26,310 --> 01:43:25,199
fantastical stories sell

2531
01:43:29,030 --> 01:43:26,320
but

2532
01:43:31,030 --> 01:43:29,040
at what cost i think at the cost of the

2533
01:43:32,950 --> 01:43:31,040
soul of the seller

2534
01:43:35,270 --> 01:43:32,960
you know it can't be good for you

2535
01:43:37,590 --> 01:43:35,280
karmically to be stealing money from

2536
01:43:39,750 --> 01:43:37,600
people selling this fake garbage to true

2537
01:43:42,310 --> 01:43:39,760
believers and that and that is what i

2538
01:43:44,229 --> 01:43:42,320
believe she does her audience are all

2539
01:43:46,870 --> 01:43:44,239
people that believe all this is real and

2540
01:43:48,550 --> 01:43:46,880
every story is real and everybody's

2541
01:43:53,669 --> 01:43:48,560
everybody's telling the truth

2542
01:43:53,679 --> 01:43:56,390
now

2543
01:44:01,189 --> 01:43:58,870
i agree with a lot of people that

2544
01:44:02,629 --> 01:44:01,199
first documentary looked like good work

2545
01:44:04,550 --> 01:44:02,639
i have the book

2546
01:44:06,629 --> 01:44:04,560
look like good work

2547
01:44:12,950 --> 01:44:06,639
like she followed the science like she

2548
01:44:17,350 --> 01:44:15,430
but we see the same thing with her

2549
01:44:19,590 --> 01:44:17,360
that we saw with robert dean

2550
01:44:22,709 --> 01:44:19,600
that we saw was clifford stone

2551
01:44:24,709 --> 01:44:22,719
that we saw with many of these people

2552
01:44:26,550 --> 01:44:24,719
it's called ufo disease

2553
01:44:28,390 --> 01:44:26,560
you start off you have the best of

2554
01:44:30,870 --> 01:44:28,400
intentions you come up with a really

2555
01:44:32,790 --> 01:44:30,880
good story you're making the rounds

2556
01:44:34,709 --> 01:44:32,800
giving lectures at conferences telling

2557
01:44:37,590 --> 01:44:34,719
people your really credible stories that

2558
01:44:39,510 --> 01:44:37,600
you really really research really well

2559
01:44:40,950 --> 01:44:39,520
and your stories seem credible and

2560
01:44:43,030 --> 01:44:40,960
people want to believe you and your

2561
01:44:44,950 --> 01:44:43,040
research is good

2562
01:44:47,109 --> 01:44:44,960
but then time goes on

2563
01:44:49,270 --> 01:44:47,119
and you got to keep working those ufo

2564
01:44:51,510 --> 01:44:49,280
conferences to make the money and people

2565
01:44:52,870 --> 01:44:51,520
tire of your original good work and you

2566
01:44:54,709 --> 01:44:52,880
got to hurry up and come up with some

2567
01:44:55,830 --> 01:44:54,719
new stories to tell people

2568
01:44:57,990 --> 01:44:55,840
and i think

2569
01:44:59,990 --> 01:44:58,000
that this ufo disease happens i've seen

2570
01:45:02,149 --> 01:45:00,000
it happen to many many different people

2571
01:45:04,470 --> 01:45:02,159
you know robert dean started off with a

2572
01:45:06,229 --> 01:45:04,480
really good story that sounded credible

2573
01:45:07,990 --> 01:45:06,239
and you could vet him and he really was

2574
01:45:10,390 --> 01:45:08,000
in the military and he really did at one

2575
01:45:12,229 --> 01:45:10,400
point work for nato so he comes out with

2576
01:45:15,510 --> 01:45:12,239
a story that he worked for nato and he

2577
01:45:17,750 --> 01:45:15,520
read some secret report that told the

2578
01:45:19,430 --> 01:45:17,760
truth here's the truth about aliens and

2579
01:45:21,109 --> 01:45:19,440
what we know about them they're visiting

2580
01:45:23,510 --> 01:45:21,119
earth and all this sound like a great

2581
01:45:25,350 --> 01:45:23,520
story it was credible he was very

2582
01:45:27,109 --> 01:45:25,360
charismatic

2583
01:45:29,109 --> 01:45:27,119
he was believable

2584
01:45:30,790 --> 01:45:29,119
and his background in military service

2585
01:45:32,629 --> 01:45:30,800
was real so

2586
01:45:34,709 --> 01:45:32,639
i believed him

2587
01:45:36,149 --> 01:45:34,719
fast forward 10 years later

2588
01:45:38,310 --> 01:45:36,159
maybe 15

2589
01:45:40,390 --> 01:45:38,320
i don't know and robert dean starts to

2590
01:45:41,590 --> 01:45:40,400
talk about more and more fantastical

2591
01:45:44,629 --> 01:45:41,600
nonsense

2592
01:45:46,550 --> 01:45:44,639
like that he was uh

2593
01:45:48,950 --> 01:45:46,560
i can't remember i think he he said that

2594
01:45:50,870 --> 01:45:48,960
he was constantine in a previous life

2595
01:45:53,109 --> 01:45:50,880
and start telling stories of his past

2596
01:45:55,510 --> 01:45:53,119
lives and he also lived at the time of

2597
01:45:57,350 --> 01:45:55,520
jesus then robert dean started talking

2598
01:46:00,470 --> 01:45:57,360
about he would he he developed his

2599
01:46:03,830 --> 01:46:00,480
psychic powers and he's psychic now it

2600
01:46:06,070 --> 01:46:03,840
that's ufo disease starts off good gets

2601
01:46:09,189 --> 01:46:06,080
worse and worse and worse the longer you

2602
01:46:10,470 --> 01:46:09,199
follow the person try it try it

2603
01:46:13,910 --> 01:46:10,480
i mean

2604
01:46:16,709 --> 01:46:13,920
yeah it applies to so many people look

2605
01:46:19,910 --> 01:46:16,719
up early early really the earliest you

2606
01:46:22,149 --> 01:46:19,920
could find interviews of dr steven greer

2607
01:46:23,030 --> 01:46:22,159
and then check in with what he's saying

2608
01:46:24,709 --> 01:46:23,040
now

2609
01:46:27,189 --> 01:46:24,719
it's ufo disease

2610
01:46:28,629 --> 01:46:27,199
and apparently linda's suffering from it

2611
01:46:31,189 --> 01:46:28,639
just like a lot of these

2612
01:46:33,669 --> 01:46:31,199
characters do it's unfortunate but we

2613
01:46:35,510 --> 01:46:33,679
can see that this has happened to so

2614
01:46:38,149 --> 01:46:35,520
many different people they need new

2615
01:46:40,310 --> 01:46:38,159
stories and it's hard you know research

2616
01:46:41,910 --> 01:46:40,320
is hard why should i make phone calls

2617
01:46:44,070 --> 01:46:41,920
and check people's backgrounds and i

2618
01:46:45,430 --> 01:46:44,080
gotta file form requests with the

2619
01:46:47,750 --> 01:46:45,440
government to see if he was really in

2620
01:46:49,669 --> 01:46:47,760
the army why should i do any of that

2621
01:46:51,750 --> 01:46:49,679
if he sounds sincere i'll just run with

2622
01:46:53,669 --> 01:46:51,760
the story people will love the story

2623
01:46:55,669 --> 01:46:53,679
it's about aliens that's what my

2624
01:46:58,790 --> 01:46:55,679
audience wants to hear about stories

2625
01:47:00,629 --> 01:46:58,800
about aliens why vet anybody why check

2626
01:47:02,950 --> 01:47:00,639
anybody's background and again we've

2627
01:47:06,229 --> 01:47:02,960
seen this with linda moulton hale

2628
01:47:09,030 --> 01:47:06,239
a world-renowned expert on navy seals

2629
01:47:11,830 --> 01:47:09,040
contacted her and said excuse me your

2630
01:47:14,149 --> 01:47:11,840
navy seal source isn't a navy seal he's

2631
01:47:16,709 --> 01:47:14,159
fake and i know that just by listening

2632
01:47:20,310 --> 01:47:16,719
to him and by the fact that he gave a

2633
01:47:22,310 --> 01:47:20,320
fake rank that doesn't exist in the navy

2634
01:47:24,709 --> 01:47:22,320
do you think she availed herself of his

2635
01:47:26,550 --> 01:47:24,719
expertise did she correct her story did

2636
01:47:28,070 --> 01:47:26,560
she go back to our viewers and say oh

2637
01:47:30,709 --> 01:47:28,080
you know one of those spartan guys was

2638
01:47:32,470 --> 01:47:30,719
fake so i'm sorry about that of course

2639
01:47:35,350 --> 01:47:32,480
not

2640
01:47:37,030 --> 01:47:35,360
because the anatomy of a hoax friends

2641
01:47:38,870 --> 01:47:37,040
when you're feeling when you're selling

2642
01:47:42,070 --> 01:47:38,880
fake hoax stories

2643
01:47:47,030 --> 01:47:44,709
i'm not sure what i believe part of me

2644
01:47:48,950 --> 01:47:47,040
thinks that she does this knowing full

2645
01:47:50,470 --> 01:47:48,960
well that the story is fake

2646
01:47:52,229 --> 01:47:50,480
and that she just runs with it because

2647
01:47:53,910 --> 01:47:52,239
she can make money with it but the other

2648
01:47:56,870 --> 01:47:53,920
part of me believes that linda walton

2649
01:47:59,030 --> 01:47:56,880
hal may have gone so far down the rabbit

2650
01:48:00,790 --> 01:47:59,040
hole that she believes these people and

2651
01:48:03,109 --> 01:48:00,800
she thinks she's doing a good thing

2652
01:48:05,350 --> 01:48:03,119
helping these people who she thinks is

2653
01:48:08,229 --> 01:48:05,360
telling true stories get their stories

2654
01:48:09,750 --> 01:48:08,239
out but the problem is that nobody else

2655
01:48:12,229 --> 01:48:09,760
is allowed to talk to these people that

2656
01:48:14,950 --> 01:48:12,239
are her sources and listen

2657
01:48:16,950 --> 01:48:14,960
i get that sometimes sources need to be

2658
01:48:18,709 --> 01:48:16,960
anonymous but if the whole story is

2659
01:48:21,189 --> 01:48:18,719
based on two anonymous sources that

2660
01:48:23,910 --> 01:48:21,199
nobody could talk to and we just saw don

2661
01:48:26,629 --> 01:48:23,920
shipley rip one the shreds that's a fake

2662
01:48:29,669 --> 01:48:26,639
navy seal

2663
01:48:31,109 --> 01:48:29,679
that's a that's a problem

2664
01:48:33,030 --> 01:48:31,119
and the final thing i would like to

2665
01:48:34,470 --> 01:48:33,040
mention is that people like linda

2666
01:48:36,470 --> 01:48:34,480
moulton hale

2667
01:48:39,350 --> 01:48:36,480
you know all you disclosure advocates

2668
01:48:41,270 --> 01:48:39,360
out there right but think we gotta we

2669
01:48:42,950 --> 01:48:41,280
gotta work real hard and dig into this

2670
01:48:44,310 --> 01:48:42,960
thing so we can get the truth about

2671
01:48:45,350 --> 01:48:44,320
these aliens

2672
01:48:47,510 --> 01:48:45,360
listen

2673
01:48:50,709 --> 01:48:47,520
to all of you disclosure advocates

2674
01:48:52,550 --> 01:48:50,719
people like linda moulton howe are

2675
01:48:54,229 --> 01:48:52,560
everybody's enemy here

2676
01:48:57,430 --> 01:48:54,239
because

2677
01:48:59,669 --> 01:48:57,440
normal people or let's say academics

2678
01:49:01,270 --> 01:48:59,679
right what if eric weinstein started

2679
01:49:04,629 --> 01:49:01,280
looking into

2680
01:49:05,830 --> 01:49:04,639
linda molten house stories

2681
01:49:08,870 --> 01:49:05,840
right

2682
01:49:11,189 --> 01:49:08,880
what if real scientists who may have

2683
01:49:13,510 --> 01:49:11,199
some interest in this subject start

2684
01:49:15,589 --> 01:49:13,520
looking into the stories out there and

2685
01:49:17,990 --> 01:49:15,599
they find linda molten hal pushing a

2686
01:49:20,629 --> 01:49:18,000
story so goddamn ridiculous that it's

2687
01:49:22,950 --> 01:49:20,639
based on a video game cover and nothing

2688
01:49:24,550 --> 01:49:22,960
else

2689
01:49:26,390 --> 01:49:24,560
what if they start looking into these

2690
01:49:28,390 --> 01:49:26,400
stories and they find linda mullen hale

2691
01:49:30,629 --> 01:49:28,400
and they see that she's using fake navy

2692
01:49:32,790 --> 01:49:30,639
seals that are anonymous sources but

2693
01:49:34,390 --> 01:49:32,800
even then a real navy seal could tell

2694
01:49:36,950 --> 01:49:34,400
that the navy seal she's using as an

2695
01:49:38,229 --> 01:49:36,960
anonymous source is fake

2696
01:49:40,310 --> 01:49:38,239
what if those people look into linda

2697
01:49:42,310 --> 01:49:40,320
moulton hale and see her pushing this

2698
01:49:43,830 --> 01:49:42,320
dan burner story and then they look into

2699
01:49:45,990 --> 01:49:43,840
dan burris and find out that guy's

2700
01:49:48,310 --> 01:49:46,000
education is fake his work history is

2701
01:49:51,030 --> 01:49:48,320
fake and everything about that guy dan

2702
01:49:52,470 --> 01:49:51,040
burris is fake

2703
01:49:54,390 --> 01:49:52,480
are they really going to want to

2704
01:49:56,470 --> 01:49:54,400
contribute their time and energy to this

2705
01:49:58,070 --> 01:49:56,480
subject or they're gonna say yeah this

2706
01:50:00,709 --> 01:49:58,080
shit's all fake because look at this

2707
01:50:02,709 --> 01:50:00,719
woman she's at the top of her game

2708
01:50:04,709 --> 01:50:02,719
she's she's a woman making five to ten

2709
01:50:06,709 --> 01:50:04,719
thousand dollars for one conference

2710
01:50:08,709 --> 01:50:06,719
appearance one lecture

2711
01:50:11,350 --> 01:50:08,719
she's she's the top of the food chain

2712
01:50:12,310 --> 01:50:11,360
here and look at her so-called evidence

2713
01:50:16,229 --> 01:50:12,320
it's

2714
01:50:18,550 --> 01:50:16,239
evidence

2715
01:50:21,669 --> 01:50:18,560
that this is real

2716
01:50:24,550 --> 01:50:21,679
she damages the entire subject and i'm

2717
01:50:26,229 --> 01:50:24,560
sorry to those people who uh you know

2718
01:50:28,390 --> 01:50:26,239
she's your hero

2719
01:50:30,629 --> 01:50:28,400
you know what pick better heroes pick

2720
01:50:34,310 --> 01:50:30,639
heroes who don't lie to people to make

2721
01:50:36,070 --> 01:50:34,320
money from true believers stupid people

2722
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:36,080
and you know i don't even say stupid

2723
01:50:40,149 --> 01:50:38,400
gullible people or or true believers

2724
01:50:42,149 --> 01:50:40,159
they believe her they want to believe

2725
01:50:44,470 --> 01:50:42,159
that this stuff is real so when she

2726
01:50:45,990 --> 01:50:44,480
comes to them with a story

2727
01:50:48,229 --> 01:50:46,000
about

2728
01:50:50,950 --> 01:50:48,239
aliens even if it's based on something

2729
01:50:53,669 --> 01:50:50,960
as stupid as a video game cover that's

2730
01:50:55,270 --> 01:50:53,679
her evidence they believe it

2731
01:50:57,430 --> 01:50:55,280
i get that

2732
01:50:59,830 --> 01:50:57,440
and i also get that a lot of people like

2733
01:51:02,709 --> 01:50:59,840
oh she's such a legend in the field i'm

2734
01:51:05,589 --> 01:51:02,719
sorry legends in their fields don't use

2735
01:51:08,470 --> 01:51:05,599
fake evidence to sell stories

2736
01:51:10,390 --> 01:51:08,480
and as far as her rant there where she's

2737
01:51:11,910 --> 01:51:10,400
running telling everybody about all the

2738
01:51:14,790 --> 01:51:11,920
awards she won

2739
01:51:16,790 --> 01:51:14,800
uh she got a regional emmy that the

2740
01:51:19,990 --> 01:51:16,800
whole organization that she was a part

2741
01:51:22,149 --> 01:51:20,000
of got it's not like she won an emmy she

2742
01:51:24,149 --> 01:51:22,159
says any award-winning no

2743
01:51:26,950 --> 01:51:24,159
you didn't win an emmy the news

2744
01:51:29,270 --> 01:51:26,960
organization you were part of

2745
01:51:32,229 --> 01:51:29,280
won a regional emmy

2746
01:51:33,990 --> 01:51:32,239
not quite an emmy for linda moulton hale

2747
01:51:35,910 --> 01:51:34,000
and i don't know uh what what is the

2748
01:51:37,030 --> 01:51:35,920
other one i guess she has a peabody for

2749
01:51:38,870 --> 01:51:37,040
something

2750
01:51:41,270 --> 01:51:38,880
and that's the only awards that i could

2751
01:51:42,709 --> 01:51:41,280
find for her and someone else commented

2752
01:51:44,550 --> 01:51:42,719
on twitter that the rest of her awards

2753
01:51:46,870 --> 01:51:44,560
were all from ufo organizations or

2754
01:51:49,430 --> 01:51:46,880
people or conferences that she chose to

2755
01:51:50,470 --> 01:51:49,440
work with so i'm sorry not sorry not

2756
01:51:52,629 --> 01:51:50,480
impressed

2757
01:51:54,550 --> 01:51:52,639
and again

2758
01:51:56,790 --> 01:51:54,560
having a bunch of awards doesn't excuse

2759
01:51:58,390 --> 01:51:56,800
you for using evidence this terrible in

2760
01:52:00,149 --> 01:51:58,400
fact running

2761
01:52:02,470 --> 01:52:00,159
running your mouth saying i'm an

2762
01:52:04,709 --> 01:52:02,480
award-winning investigative journalist

2763
01:52:07,830 --> 01:52:04,719
makes you look even more foolish for

2764
01:52:09,189 --> 01:52:07,840
being fooled by a video game cover and a

2765
01:52:11,030 --> 01:52:09,199
guy

2766
01:52:14,950 --> 01:52:11,040
telling a fairy tale that's a fake

2767
01:52:19,109 --> 01:52:16,870
by the way linda molten howe i'd also

2768
01:52:22,070 --> 01:52:19,119
like to challenge you on your uh fake

2769
01:52:24,550 --> 01:52:22,080
astronaut claims i know a real astronaut

2770
01:52:25,830 --> 01:52:24,560
and uh he would be happy to speak to

2771
01:52:28,629 --> 01:52:25,840
your

2772
01:52:29,990 --> 01:52:28,639
so-called secret astronaut and he told

2773
01:52:31,910 --> 01:52:30,000
me that he would be able to tell in five

2774
01:52:34,550 --> 01:52:31,920
minutes if the guy was ever

2775
01:52:37,270 --> 01:52:34,560
in nasa training or not so you can avail

2776
01:52:39,270 --> 01:52:37,280
yourself to that expert a real astronaut

2777
01:52:41,030 --> 01:52:39,280
can look into your secret space

2778
01:52:42,390 --> 01:52:41,040
astronaut source and tell you if he's

2779
01:52:44,229 --> 01:52:42,400
legit or not

2780
01:52:47,350 --> 01:52:44,239
why would she not do that before running

2781
01:52:49,109 --> 01:52:47,360
with the story or maybe just maybe linda

2782
01:52:50,950 --> 01:52:49,119
knows that if any expert looks at her

2783
01:52:53,990 --> 01:52:50,960
so-called evidence the story will fall

2784
01:52:55,589 --> 01:52:54,000
apart before she can sell it

2785
01:52:57,350 --> 01:52:55,599
so

2786
01:53:00,629 --> 01:52:57,360
this is where we're at and this is where

2787
01:53:02,310 --> 01:53:00,639
we find ourselves and you know

2788
01:53:04,790 --> 01:53:02,320
i'm sorry that i'm the bad guy but i

2789
01:53:07,510 --> 01:53:04,800
just want to remind people that back in

2790
01:53:09,109 --> 01:53:07,520
2018 i took all kinds of [\h__\h]

2791
01:53:11,589 --> 01:53:09,119
from pointing out that she was using a

2792
01:53:14,229 --> 01:53:11,599
video game cover i got hate mail

2793
01:53:15,669 --> 01:53:14,239
somebody threatened to kill me

2794
01:53:17,990 --> 01:53:15,679
somebody said

2795
01:53:19,270 --> 01:53:18,000
you're a cia disinformation agent

2796
01:53:21,510 --> 01:53:19,280
somebody should put a bullet in your

2797
01:53:23,990 --> 01:53:21,520
head that's what somebody said to me for

2798
01:53:25,990 --> 01:53:24,000
revealing to the community that she was

2799
01:53:28,550 --> 01:53:26,000
using a video game cover to sell this

2800
01:53:29,350 --> 01:53:28,560
fake story that's the kind of victory

2801
01:53:31,030 --> 01:53:29,360
all

2802
01:53:33,350 --> 01:53:31,040
that some of these true believers go

2803
01:53:35,669 --> 01:53:33,360
after people like me with for what for

2804
01:53:38,149 --> 01:53:35,679
asking questions for telling the truth

2805
01:53:41,589 --> 01:53:38,159
and now me like a dummy brought it all

2806
01:53:43,589 --> 01:53:41,599
back up right that stuff all

2807
01:53:46,629 --> 01:53:43,599
you know it settled off eventually after

2808
01:53:49,109 --> 01:53:46,639
a few months people forgot about it now

2809
01:53:50,709 --> 01:53:49,119
it's all back and now i have all these

2810
01:53:53,030 --> 01:53:50,719
you know twitter people telling me what

2811
01:53:55,270 --> 01:53:53,040
a terrible person i am because god damn

2812
01:53:57,189 --> 01:53:55,280
it i dare to ask a question

2813
01:54:00,070 --> 01:53:57,199
you know with facts and evidence and

2814
01:54:01,270 --> 01:54:00,080
proof that she was selling a fake story

2815
01:54:02,629 --> 01:54:01,280
and

2816
01:54:04,470 --> 01:54:02,639
people were

2817
01:54:06,629 --> 01:54:04,480
attacking me saying well she retracted

2818
01:54:08,709 --> 01:54:06,639
that but now we've heard the likely

2819
01:54:11,030 --> 01:54:08,719
reason that she did finally post that

2820
01:54:13,910 --> 01:54:11,040
retraction and i believe it was due to

2821
01:54:15,270 --> 01:54:13,920
my emails saying hey uh linda you might

2822
01:54:17,030 --> 01:54:15,280
want to be careful here and again it

2823
01:54:18,709 --> 01:54:17,040
wasn't a threat it was an observation

2824
01:54:21,189 --> 01:54:18,719
that this may be considered consumer

2825
01:54:22,870 --> 01:54:21,199
fraud by an outside agency looking into

2826
01:54:25,669 --> 01:54:22,880
what you're doing this might be

2827
01:54:27,669 --> 01:54:25,679
considered theft by deception

2828
01:54:29,510 --> 01:54:27,679
suddenly she's got a

2829
01:54:32,629 --> 01:54:29,520
retraction the next day

2830
01:54:34,470 --> 01:54:32,639
in one day she talked to eight experts

2831
01:54:36,709 --> 01:54:34,480
who suddenly may help helped her make

2832
01:54:38,550 --> 01:54:36,719
the determination that her expert was be

2833
01:54:41,830 --> 01:54:38,560
that her secret space astronaut was

2834
01:54:43,350 --> 01:54:41,840
being dishonest for for unknown reasons

2835
01:54:45,109 --> 01:54:43,360
then she goes on to say that she has

2836
01:54:45,830 --> 01:54:45,119
three other sources that told her that

2837
01:54:48,629 --> 01:54:45,840
the

2838
01:54:50,950 --> 01:54:48,639
apollo 18 19 and 20 moon missions were

2839
01:54:53,350 --> 01:54:50,960
real and they happened

2840
01:54:55,910 --> 01:54:53,360
you know to still try to salvage well

2841
01:54:57,910 --> 01:54:55,920
some parts of the story may be true

2842
01:54:59,990 --> 01:54:57,920
and another point a final point to make

2843
01:55:02,629 --> 01:55:00,000
i suppose is that she only printed the

2844
01:55:04,950 --> 01:55:02,639
retraction on the first story there's

2845
01:55:07,109 --> 01:55:04,960
three stories she didn't put that

2846
01:55:09,189 --> 01:55:07,119
disclaimer that this guy's fake in the

2847
01:55:10,629 --> 01:55:09,199
other two stories she just left them and

2848
01:55:11,750 --> 01:55:10,639
people can read them and think that it's

2849
01:55:14,470 --> 01:55:11,760
real

2850
01:55:17,589 --> 01:55:14,480
i find that to be unethical and immoral

2851
01:55:19,910 --> 01:55:17,599
and problematic as well but

2852
01:55:23,270 --> 01:55:19,920
you know i can't control how she does

2853
01:55:25,270 --> 01:55:23,280
her work or lack of it and uh you know

2854
01:55:27,270 --> 01:55:25,280
i'm not gonna try to

2855
01:55:29,030 --> 01:55:27,280
and uh

2856
01:55:30,629 --> 01:55:29,040
boy you know

2857
01:55:31,350 --> 01:55:30,639
there's a lot more that i could say on

2858
01:55:35,510 --> 01:55:31,360
this

2859
01:55:41,750 --> 01:55:35,520
but uh you know i think i said what what

2860
01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:46,470
oh boy there's a whole nother story

2861
01:55:46,480 --> 01:55:53,430
we could do a whole other part too

2862
01:55:53,440 --> 01:56:03,990
one second friends

2863
01:56:07,589 --> 01:56:06,149
oh okay so this is about a time there's

2864
01:56:09,350 --> 01:56:07,599
another time

2865
01:56:11,270 --> 01:56:09,360
i'm going to share this we'll do one

2866
01:56:13,830 --> 01:56:11,280
more story on linda molten how being

2867
01:56:15,510 --> 01:56:13,840
gullible and not vetting anybody because

2868
01:56:18,229 --> 01:56:15,520
this is too good not to share and again

2869
01:56:19,830 --> 01:56:18,239
this comes from ufo watchdog

2870
01:56:22,310 --> 01:56:19,840
um

2871
01:56:27,589 --> 01:56:22,320
one second let me

2872
01:56:31,910 --> 01:56:30,310
so this is a post okay this is one for

2873
01:56:33,669 --> 01:56:31,920
the books right here linda won't hal

2874
01:56:35,669 --> 01:56:33,679
received an anonymous letter at the new

2875
01:56:38,149 --> 01:56:35,679
age convention allegedly from a former

2876
01:56:39,910 --> 01:56:38,159
cia agent claiming that he had been

2877
01:56:41,669 --> 01:56:39,920
in a highly classified department

2878
01:56:43,830 --> 01:56:41,679
dealing with extraterrestrials and

2879
01:56:46,229 --> 01:56:43,840
something called element 12. watch the

2880
01:56:49,270 --> 01:56:46,239
video below where hal talks about the

2881
01:56:50,629 --> 01:56:49,280
note oh wait we got us we got to do that

2882
01:56:51,990 --> 01:56:50,639
so

2883
01:56:53,830 --> 01:56:52,000
bear with me because i didn't share the

2884
01:56:54,870 --> 01:56:53,840
audio we'll share it one more time and

2885
01:56:56,229 --> 01:56:54,880
i'm citing

2886
01:56:58,310 --> 01:56:56,239
wait a minute i gotta put up the fair

2887
01:57:00,550 --> 01:56:58,320
use banner one more time because people

2888
01:57:01,830 --> 01:57:00,560
love that

2889
01:57:03,910 --> 01:57:01,840
this is fair use this is a

2890
01:57:05,589 --> 01:57:03,920
transformative work we are educating the

2891
01:57:07,350 --> 01:57:05,599
public about linda molten how getting

2892
01:57:10,470 --> 01:57:07,360
duped by somebody

2893
01:57:18,870 --> 01:57:10,480
um who claimed to be a cia agent when

2894
01:57:18,880 --> 01:57:36,709
who will tell the shoes

2895
01:57:36,719 --> 01:57:41,589
cia

2896
01:57:47,109 --> 01:57:44,390
i got handed a note yesterday about this

2897
01:57:49,750 --> 01:57:47,119
i had never heard of element 12

2898
01:57:52,149 --> 01:57:49,760
in relationship to dogs

2899
01:57:55,830 --> 01:57:52,159
that dogs were

2900
01:57:58,310 --> 01:57:55,840
a placement of an advanced life form on

2901
01:58:00,310 --> 01:57:58,320
this planet and i've i've never heard of

2902
01:58:01,109 --> 01:58:00,320
this before but i didn't get myself

2903
01:58:02,709 --> 01:58:01,119
today

2904
01:58:04,229 --> 01:58:02,719
i don't know does anyone else have

2905
01:58:18,390 --> 01:58:04,239
anyone else

2906
01:58:20,790 --> 01:58:19,109
yeah

2907
01:58:22,790 --> 01:58:20,800
i'd like to know more

2908
01:58:29,669 --> 01:58:22,800
my question is is that connected to all

2909
01:58:34,550 --> 01:58:32,310
so somebody gave linda mullen how a note

2910
01:58:36,229 --> 01:58:34,560
claiming that they were a cia agent and

2911
01:58:38,470 --> 01:58:36,239
they worked on a secret program with

2912
01:58:41,510 --> 01:58:38,480
aliens and element 12 and that had

2913
01:58:45,270 --> 01:58:43,669
but could i have something that's really

2914
01:58:46,950 --> 01:58:45,280
interesting and i'd love to know if

2915
01:58:49,430 --> 01:58:46,960
anybody in the audience has had this

2916
01:58:51,270 --> 01:58:49,440
experience i know that our government

2917
01:58:53,669 --> 01:58:51,280
has had the problem that we have

2918
01:58:55,510 --> 01:58:53,679
collected various alien technologies

2919
01:58:57,669 --> 01:58:55,520
from a lot of crashes

2920
01:58:59,910 --> 01:58:57,679
but they are made of self-activating

2921
01:59:02,790 --> 01:58:59,920
software and they are made with a

2922
01:59:04,470 --> 01:59:02,800
program to return to their original

2923
01:59:06,629 --> 01:59:04,480
source whether it's in the milky way

2924
01:59:09,430 --> 01:59:06,639
galaxy or someplace else

2925
01:59:12,070 --> 01:59:09,440
and that there's a man named lou baldwin

2926
01:59:12,950 --> 01:59:12,080
who wrote a book a very important book

2927
01:59:14,790 --> 01:59:12,960
and

2928
01:59:17,109 --> 01:59:14,800
well we're going to skip ahead another

2929
01:59:18,950 --> 01:59:17,119
story with no evidence

2930
01:59:20,790 --> 01:59:18,960
i mean i can only say from when i was

2931
01:59:23,350 --> 01:59:20,800
doing some work i was

2932
01:59:24,709 --> 01:59:23,360
always psychology i was an engineer when

2933
01:59:26,310 --> 01:59:24,719
i first left

2934
01:59:27,270 --> 01:59:26,320
all right we're going to stop the video

2935
01:59:29,910 --> 01:59:27,280
here

2936
01:59:32,550 --> 01:59:29,920
uh but we'll go back to the article

2937
01:59:34,070 --> 01:59:32,560
because the article details another case

2938
01:59:36,709 --> 01:59:34,080
of linda molten hal running with a

2939
01:59:42,470 --> 01:59:36,719
completely and totally fake story i

2940
01:59:46,229 --> 01:59:44,550
linda hal received an anonymous letter

2941
01:59:47,830 --> 01:59:46,239
at a new age convention

2942
01:59:49,750 --> 01:59:47,840
one second let me make this bigger

2943
01:59:52,629 --> 01:59:49,760
friends you have to bear with me pardon

2944
01:59:56,629 --> 01:59:52,639
me i am visually impaired so uh we'll

2945
01:59:59,990 --> 01:59:58,390
one the history books right here linda

2946
02:00:01,750 --> 02:00:00,000
mont hall received an anonymous letter

2947
02:00:03,510 --> 02:00:01,760
at a new age convention allegedly from a

2948
02:00:04,790 --> 02:00:03,520
former cia agent claiming to have been

2949
02:00:06,070 --> 02:00:04,800
in a highly classified department

2950
02:00:08,070 --> 02:00:06,080
dealing with extraterrestrials and

2951
02:00:10,149 --> 02:00:08,080
something called element 12. watch the

2952
02:00:12,070 --> 02:00:10,159
video where she talks about the note but

2953
02:00:14,550 --> 02:00:12,080
this time we know the identity of the

2954
02:00:17,669 --> 02:00:14,560
alleged former cia agent it's carrie

2955
02:00:19,750 --> 02:00:17,679
poppy of ono ross and carrie the podcast

2956
02:00:21,350 --> 02:00:19,760
from their face and from their facebook

2957
02:00:23,189 --> 02:00:21,360
page oh no

2958
02:00:24,790 --> 02:00:23,199
ross and carey is a podcast exploring

2959
02:00:26,870 --> 02:00:24,800
for in science spirituality and claims

2960
02:00:28,390 --> 02:00:26,880
of paranormal anything

2961
02:00:29,750 --> 02:00:28,400
anything that makes a claim about how

2962
02:00:32,229 --> 02:00:29,760
the world works and differs from the

2963
02:00:33,910 --> 02:00:32,239
commonly accepted scientific explanation

2964
02:00:35,589 --> 02:00:33,920
ross bloucher and carrie poppy are

2965
02:00:36,950 --> 02:00:35,599
former christians who remain fascinated

2966
02:00:38,870 --> 02:00:36,960
by the variety

2967
02:00:41,510 --> 02:00:38,880
and expression of belief

2968
02:00:43,189 --> 02:00:41,520
and try out these there's various claims

2969
02:00:45,350 --> 02:00:43,199
firsthand so you don't have to they

2970
02:00:46,950 --> 02:00:45,360
report the results share all the details

2971
02:00:49,030 --> 02:00:46,960
try to find the wisdom and the humor and

2972
02:00:51,109 --> 02:00:49,040
rate each topic on scientific validity

2973
02:00:53,350 --> 02:00:51,119
danger creepiness and pocket drain oh

2974
02:00:55,430 --> 02:00:53,360
and hot drinks

2975
02:00:57,270 --> 02:00:55,440
you see and you can see in here here

2976
02:00:59,510 --> 02:00:57,280
poppy and her co-host

2977
02:01:01,430 --> 02:00:59,520
blocker left with hal decided to hang

2978
02:01:03,270 --> 02:01:01,440
out with the conscious life expo in los

2979
02:01:06,229 --> 02:01:03,280
angeles a few months ago to check out

2980
02:01:11,510 --> 02:01:08,709
poppy decided it was time to test how

2981
02:01:13,910 --> 02:01:11,520
out and wrote a note

2982
02:01:16,470 --> 02:01:13,920
to how that was passed on anonymously

2983
02:01:18,790 --> 02:01:16,480
through radio host jimmy church

2984
02:01:20,870 --> 02:01:18,800
the note contained an astonished uh an

2985
02:01:23,030 --> 02:01:20,880
astoundingly stupid story about the

2986
02:01:25,589 --> 02:01:23,040
author being a former cia agent in

2987
02:01:26,629 --> 02:01:25,599
contact with extraterrestrials and alien

2988
02:01:27,910 --> 02:01:26,639
dogs

2989
02:01:30,070 --> 02:01:27,920
you really do have to listen to the

2990
02:01:31,830 --> 02:01:30,080
whole podcast for this and way more

2991
02:01:33,189 --> 02:01:31,840
during a panel discussion

2992
02:01:34,790 --> 02:01:33,199
hal tells the audience about the

2993
02:01:36,950 --> 02:01:34,800
contents of the note and states it with

2994
02:01:39,030 --> 02:01:36,960
a straight face little does hal know the

2995
02:01:41,589 --> 02:01:39,040
author of the cleverly bogus note is in

2996
02:01:43,270 --> 02:01:41,599
the audience recording it all happen

2997
02:01:45,189 --> 02:01:43,280
now somebody talking up to how getting

2998
02:01:48,310 --> 02:01:45,199
older the problem is how has been doing

2999
02:01:51,350 --> 02:01:48,320
this sort of stuff for years

3000
02:01:52,709 --> 02:01:51,360
in 2002 hal tried to make a mundane

3001
02:01:54,550 --> 02:01:52,719
and explained

3002
02:01:57,669 --> 02:01:54,560
deer death into something it wasn't in

3003
02:01:59,430 --> 02:01:57,679
2003 how ignored scientific analysis

3004
02:02:01,830 --> 02:01:59,440
analyses refuting the claims of

3005
02:02:05,510 --> 02:02:01,840
brazilian ufo abduction

3006
02:02:07,669 --> 02:02:05,520
hal promoted known ufo fraud dan burris

3007
02:02:09,430 --> 02:02:07,679
the list of all the non-ten nonsense how

3008
02:02:12,149 --> 02:02:09,440
has spewed is endless

3009
02:02:14,229 --> 02:02:12,159
let's not even get into the whole aliens

3010
02:02:15,430 --> 02:02:14,239
in the antarctic dumpster fire house

3011
02:02:18,390 --> 02:02:15,440
started

3012
02:02:20,629 --> 02:02:18,400
yeah so there we have it she

3013
02:02:22,790 --> 02:02:20,639
doesn't check if it's a cia agent but

3014
02:02:25,750 --> 02:02:22,800
she's telling everybody oh yeah

3015
02:02:27,109 --> 02:02:25,760
it's a cia agent

3016
02:02:28,790 --> 02:02:27,119
yeah so

3017
02:02:30,950 --> 02:02:28,800
here's what we're gonna do friends i'm

3018
02:02:33,990 --> 02:02:30,960
gonna check in with the live chat

3019
02:02:36,950 --> 02:02:34,000
and uh let's put get rid of my fair use

3020
02:02:40,870 --> 02:02:38,870
just over two hours here and i wanted to

3021
02:02:42,709 --> 02:02:40,880
wrap it up within two but i don't want

3022
02:02:45,030 --> 02:02:42,719
to ignore the live chat or make sure

3023
02:02:47,910 --> 02:02:45,040
that we've read all the super chats so

3024
02:02:51,830 --> 02:02:47,920
uh yeah

3025
02:02:58,229 --> 02:02:54,950
we will um

3026
02:03:04,390 --> 02:02:58,239
we're gonna take a short musical break

3027
02:03:07,910 --> 02:03:06,149
when we return i'm going to read all the

3028
02:03:10,149 --> 02:03:07,920
super chats make sure we check in with

3029
02:03:12,470 --> 02:03:10,159
the paypal donators and read their

3030
02:03:15,189 --> 02:03:12,480
messages if they've sent any

3031
02:03:16,550 --> 02:03:15,199
and uh read the super chats and i'll

3032
02:03:19,430 --> 02:03:16,560
also dedicate my full and total

3033
02:03:20,950 --> 02:03:19,440
attention to the live chat and uh

3034
02:03:22,149 --> 02:03:20,960
the hell with the length if anybody

3035
02:03:25,430 --> 02:03:22,159
would like to come on and have a

3036
02:03:28,550 --> 02:03:25,440
discussion about this whole thing uh i'm

3037
02:03:31,430 --> 02:03:28,560
more than open to that so i'll put the

3038
02:03:33,750 --> 02:03:31,440
uh i'm gonna put the live chat the

3039
02:03:35,430 --> 02:03:33,760
invitation to join the show right in the

3040
02:03:36,870 --> 02:03:35,440
live chat which is against my better

3041
02:03:38,229 --> 02:03:36,880
judgment but

3042
02:03:40,310 --> 02:03:38,239
we've been pretty good with not having

3043
02:03:43,750 --> 02:03:40,320
any people showed up naked so please no

3044
02:03:44,629 --> 02:03:43,760
nudity if you decide to be on the show

3045
02:03:47,030 --> 02:03:44,639
uh

3046
02:03:49,830 --> 02:03:47,040
yeah youtube of course doesn't like that

3047
02:03:52,069 --> 02:03:49,840
and i'm just gonna put invite to join

3048
02:03:54,390 --> 02:03:52,079
the panel

3049
02:03:56,069 --> 02:03:54,400
and please please wear headphones you

3050
02:03:58,310 --> 02:03:56,079
don't have to have a webcam you can just

3051
02:03:59,990 --> 02:03:58,320
be audio only in an avatar but please

3052
02:04:02,310 --> 02:04:00,000
please wear headphones because sometimes

3053
02:04:04,310 --> 02:04:02,320
these panel shows get crazy the more

3054
02:04:05,669 --> 02:04:04,320
people join when a bunch of people

3055
02:04:07,750 --> 02:04:05,679
refuse to wear headphones you really

3056
02:04:09,910 --> 02:04:07,760
need headphones so that everybody can

3057
02:04:12,149 --> 02:04:09,920
hear each other and there's no echoing

3058
02:04:14,310 --> 02:04:12,159
so the link to join the panel discussion

3059
02:04:16,229 --> 02:04:14,320
which we'll have for a short time here

3060
02:04:18,069 --> 02:04:16,239
is in the in the

3061
02:04:20,229 --> 02:04:18,079
live chat

3062
02:04:21,589 --> 02:04:20,239
anybody can join any

3063
02:04:23,669 --> 02:04:21,599
true believers

3064
02:04:25,750 --> 02:04:23,679
you're welcome to join total skeptics

3065
02:04:28,149 --> 02:04:25,760
anywhere in between

3066
02:04:31,189 --> 02:04:28,159
i would just like to welcome everybody

3067
02:04:33,350 --> 02:04:31,199
to a discussion about this issue

3068
02:04:35,910 --> 02:04:33,360
was i wrong in asking that question was

3069
02:04:37,910 --> 02:04:35,920
it a fair question were others wrong in

3070
02:04:41,109 --> 02:04:37,920
sending in questions she didn't like

3071
02:04:42,629 --> 02:04:41,119
like the dodi question or another

3072
02:04:44,310 --> 02:04:42,639
what do you think

3073
02:04:46,229 --> 02:04:44,320
come right on in here

3074
02:04:48,550 --> 02:04:46,239
and be a part of our panel

3075
02:04:50,229 --> 02:04:48,560
and we will have a discussion

3076
02:04:52,390 --> 02:04:50,239
so we're going to take a short musical

3077
02:04:53,990 --> 02:04:52,400
break when we return we will i will

3078
02:04:55,350 --> 02:04:54,000
dedicate my full and total attention to

3079
02:04:57,750 --> 02:04:55,360
the live chat we'll read all the super

3080
02:04:58,950 --> 02:04:57,760
chats read all the paypal donations

3081
02:05:00,550 --> 02:04:58,960
and

3082
02:05:02,790 --> 02:05:00,560
have a discussion with the live chat if

3083
02:05:04,229 --> 02:05:02,800
nobody wants to join the actual panel

3084
02:05:05,510 --> 02:05:04,239
but if people join the actual panel

3085
02:05:07,830 --> 02:05:05,520
we'll have a discussion with the panel

3086
02:05:17,920 --> 02:05:07,840
as well when we return we'll be right

3087
02:05:17,930 --> 02:05:25,189
[Music]

3088
02:05:36,550 --> 02:05:28,240
the pictures the letters

3089
02:05:36,560 --> 02:06:05,930
buried in a shoebox

3090
02:06:26,470 --> 02:06:08,160
[Applause]

3091
02:06:26,480 --> 02:06:47,990
the shrine that i have built my pace

3092
02:06:48,000 --> 02:07:04,629
is

3093
02:07:04,639 --> 02:07:18,820
oh

3094
02:07:18,830 --> 02:07:24,550
[Music]

3095
02:07:24,560 --> 02:07:55,270
little girls

3096
02:07:55,280 --> 02:08:01,660
that is

3097
02:08:01,670 --> 02:08:15,450
[Music]

3098
02:08:15,460 --> 02:08:27,669
[Applause]

3099
02:08:31,669 --> 02:08:29,990
and we are back friends uh and we have

3100
02:08:33,350 --> 02:08:31,679
some panel members standing by i'll be

3101
02:08:35,430 --> 02:08:33,360
with you guys i am in the green room

3102
02:08:37,589 --> 02:08:35,440
here we're getting them all sobered up

3103
02:08:39,030 --> 02:08:37,599
and ready to for their appearances right

3104
02:08:40,790 --> 02:08:39,040
somebody's giving them coffee so they're

3105
02:08:42,950 --> 02:08:40,800
not too drunk

3106
02:08:44,870 --> 02:08:42,960
to uh you know have a talk

3107
02:08:46,310 --> 02:08:44,880
no no i don't think this is going to be

3108
02:08:48,310 --> 02:08:46,320
one of those panels

3109
02:08:50,149 --> 02:08:48,320
they look pretty sober back there i

3110
02:08:51,270 --> 02:08:50,159
think i think everybody's pretty sober

3111
02:08:53,990 --> 02:08:51,280
and lucid

3112
02:08:56,069 --> 02:08:54,000
so uh we should do okay i'm gonna take a

3113
02:08:58,149 --> 02:08:56,079
quick moment to check in with the paypal

3114
02:08:59,750 --> 02:08:58,159
uh donations i want to remind you this

3115
02:09:01,189 --> 02:08:59,760
is a viewer supported show there's

3116
02:09:02,870 --> 02:09:01,199
instructions

3117
02:09:04,550 --> 02:09:02,880
during the live broadcast you can send

3118
02:09:06,229 --> 02:09:04,560
us a super chat it's that money button

3119
02:09:08,069 --> 02:09:06,239
down there and we really like those we

3120
02:09:09,189 --> 02:09:08,079
read every one and thank every single

3121
02:09:11,669 --> 02:09:09,199
person for their kindness their

3122
02:09:14,390 --> 02:09:11,679
generosity and their support

3123
02:09:16,069 --> 02:09:14,400
but anytime you can send a paypal

3124
02:09:17,669 --> 02:09:16,079
donation but please please be sure to

3125
02:09:19,589 --> 02:09:17,679
add a note when you send that paypal

3126
02:09:21,669 --> 02:09:19,599
donation the link to do that is in the

3127
02:09:23,350 --> 02:09:21,679
description of the video add a note give

3128
02:09:25,109 --> 02:09:23,360
us your chat room user id and any

3129
02:09:27,030 --> 02:09:25,119
message you want to shout out

3130
02:09:31,109 --> 02:09:27,040
i want to thank mikey for a kind and

3131
02:09:32,470 --> 02:09:31,119
generous two dollar uh paypal donation

3132
02:09:34,709 --> 02:09:32,480
uh thank you for your kindness your

3133
02:09:36,069 --> 02:09:34,719
generosity and your support we also want

3134
02:09:38,470 --> 02:09:36,079
to thank jennifer for a kind and

3135
02:09:41,270 --> 02:09:38,480
generous paypal donation

3136
02:09:42,870 --> 02:09:41,280
um who says

3137
02:09:44,709 --> 02:09:42,880
thank you for the work that you do

3138
02:09:46,470 --> 02:09:44,719
exposing all the frauds i used to

3139
02:09:48,870 --> 02:09:46,480
believe many of them

3140
02:09:51,510 --> 02:09:48,880
thanks for helping me wake up

3141
02:09:54,069 --> 02:09:51,520
hey uh i'm glad that i can help anybody

3142
02:09:56,390 --> 02:09:54,079
and remember i once believed all these

3143
02:09:57,990 --> 02:09:56,400
people were telling the truth i swear i

3144
02:09:59,830 --> 02:09:58,000
used to think that if somebody stood up

3145
02:10:02,310 --> 02:09:59,840
at a conference and said that their

3146
02:10:05,350 --> 02:10:02,320
source was a navy seal they really had a

3147
02:10:08,069 --> 02:10:05,360
navy seal source i didn't dig deeper but

3148
02:10:10,629 --> 02:10:08,079
when you do dig deeper you quickly begin

3149
02:10:13,189 --> 02:10:10,639
to realize that uh

3150
02:10:15,669 --> 02:10:13,199
people are not honest with the sources

3151
02:10:17,669 --> 02:10:15,679
people are just making up fake sources

3152
02:10:19,350 --> 02:10:17,679
or they're using sources that they have

3153
02:10:21,109 --> 02:10:19,360
not vetted

3154
02:10:22,229 --> 02:10:21,119
and don't know

3155
02:10:24,550 --> 02:10:22,239
are

3156
02:10:27,189 --> 02:10:24,560
really you know in the military or that

3157
02:10:28,870 --> 02:10:27,199
their backgrounds are real or you know

3158
02:10:30,550 --> 02:10:28,880
whatever

3159
02:10:32,709 --> 02:10:30,560
i'm gonna quickly read off the super

3160
02:10:36,069 --> 02:10:32,719
chats and then we'll get to the panel

3161
02:10:39,109 --> 02:10:36,079
and uh and the live chat so uh just bear

3162
02:10:41,589 --> 02:10:39,119
with me one moment

3163
02:10:44,149 --> 02:10:41,599
okay so we have spooky with the kind and

3164
02:10:46,390 --> 02:10:44,159
generous uh two dollars stop doing that

3165
02:10:47,589 --> 02:10:46,400
spooky because well maybe not spooky why

3166
02:10:49,270 --> 02:10:47,599
don't you send a lot more because i'll

3167
02:10:51,270 --> 02:10:49,280
just give it back to you when i pay you

3168
02:10:53,750 --> 02:10:51,280
on you know the beginning of the month

3169
02:10:56,870 --> 02:10:53,760
when i try to pay her calling calling

3170
02:10:58,390 --> 02:10:56,880
what i do for spooky pay is uh it was a

3171
02:11:02,069 --> 02:10:58,400
stretch you know i'm trying to give her

3172
02:11:06,149 --> 02:11:02,079
a couple bucks but it's you know

3173
02:11:07,910 --> 02:11:06,159
says if your sources bro trust me gtfo i

3174
02:11:09,910 --> 02:11:07,920
agree with you and lord ludacris plaid

3175
02:11:11,990 --> 02:11:09,920
again asking the serpo question we

3176
02:11:13,910 --> 02:11:12,000
answered that moon licked with the kind

3177
02:11:16,390 --> 02:11:13,920
and generous uh

3178
02:11:17,830 --> 02:11:16,400
555 says steven should the ufo community

3179
02:11:19,830 --> 02:11:17,840
ask her for the keys to the car or

3180
02:11:21,669 --> 02:11:19,840
should we elect representatives to run

3181
02:11:24,390 --> 02:11:21,679
her business and finally patrick sheehan

3182
02:11:26,149 --> 02:11:24,400
with kind generous 999 says linda has

3183
02:11:30,390 --> 02:11:26,159
sleepwalked through her job in the last

3184
02:11:31,350 --> 02:11:30,400
several decades i i agree 100

3185
02:11:33,030 --> 02:11:31,360
so

3186
02:11:33,990 --> 02:11:33,040
we're going to get our panel members in

3187
02:11:36,470 --> 02:11:34,000
here

3188
02:11:38,550 --> 02:11:36,480
we'll start off with our container sir

3189
02:11:39,270 --> 02:11:38,560
corey good to see you

3190
02:11:56,629 --> 02:11:39,280
i

3191
02:11:58,629 --> 02:11:56,639
crazy honestly

3192
02:12:00,709 --> 02:11:58,639
no i didn't think it was going to blow

3193
02:12:03,350 --> 02:12:00,719
up into what it has it's like we dropped

3194
02:12:04,870 --> 02:12:03,360
a bomb on this whole thing right it felt

3195
02:12:06,470 --> 02:12:04,880
that way

3196
02:12:07,990 --> 02:12:06,480
hey when the question's good the

3197
02:12:10,069 --> 02:12:08,000
question is good

3198
02:12:12,069 --> 02:12:10,079
yeah you know i mean it's amazing

3199
02:12:14,550 --> 02:12:12,079
it's amazing to me that one question

3200
02:12:15,189 --> 02:12:14,560
from me caused her to crumble like that

3201
02:12:19,750 --> 02:12:15,199
and

3202
02:12:21,430 --> 02:12:19,760
insight into why some of these ufo

3203
02:12:24,629 --> 02:12:21,440
celebrities won't come here and i have

3204
02:12:26,310 --> 02:12:24,639
to stress we are super respectful to all

3205
02:12:27,669 --> 02:12:26,320
anybody that volunteers their time and

3206
02:12:29,510 --> 02:12:27,679
comes here as a guest we will be

3207
02:12:31,430 --> 02:12:29,520
respected we might answer hard questions

3208
02:12:33,750 --> 02:12:31,440
like that one but we'll do it in a

3209
02:12:35,750 --> 02:12:33,760
spirit of respect and cooperation and

3210
02:12:37,589 --> 02:12:35,760
let's let's learn more

3211
02:12:39,910 --> 02:12:37,599
about you and and and everything and

3212
02:12:41,589 --> 02:12:39,920
space cow the kind of generous 699 says

3213
02:12:45,030 --> 02:12:41,599
here for spooky i know everybody comes

3214
02:12:50,229 --> 02:12:45,040
here for spooky and we have tim elf is

3215
02:12:55,270 --> 02:12:52,069
archaic revival in the chat is uh

3216
02:12:58,709 --> 02:12:55,280
confused about akari and spooky

3217
02:13:03,430 --> 02:13:00,790
and we have lord ludacris platt is also

3218
02:13:06,310 --> 02:13:03,440
here with us good to see you lord plaid

3219
02:13:08,790 --> 02:13:06,320
hey man yeah man welcome my dude

3220
02:13:10,870 --> 02:13:08,800
welcome yeah welcome so any questions or

3221
02:13:12,550 --> 02:13:10,880
comments for the panel put them in the

3222
02:13:14,310 --> 02:13:12,560
in the live chat we'll try to get to

3223
02:13:16,629 --> 02:13:14,320
some questions as well put them in all

3224
02:13:19,109 --> 02:13:16,639
capital letters so that we can address

3225
02:13:20,870 --> 02:13:19,119
them so tim f what what did you think of

3226
02:13:23,270 --> 02:13:20,880
this whole

3227
02:13:24,790 --> 02:13:23,280
drama rama like this thing blew up like

3228
02:13:28,229 --> 02:13:24,800
what did you think of this

3229
02:13:29,589 --> 02:13:28,239
dude um i've tried to i've tried to

3230
02:13:31,270 --> 02:13:29,599
i've been on her live stream i don't

3231
02:13:33,430 --> 02:13:31,280
know how many times trying to explain to

3232
02:13:35,910 --> 02:13:33,440
her about that actual picture yeah like

3233
02:13:37,910 --> 02:13:35,920
i i met the artist i'm pretty sure it

3234
02:13:39,669 --> 02:13:37,920
was the artist at a comic con

3235
02:13:42,629 --> 02:13:39,679
cause yeah he has a picture i talked to

3236
02:13:45,589 --> 02:13:42,639
him i just talked to him recently

3237
02:13:46,870 --> 02:13:45,599
and uh boy was he he had a chuckle

3238
02:13:49,189 --> 02:13:46,880
about

3239
02:13:51,910 --> 02:13:49,199
her selling a story based on his image

3240
02:13:55,030 --> 02:13:51,920
and he swore to me he's like listen

3241
02:13:56,550 --> 02:13:55,040
no cia nobody gave us that image i drew

3242
02:13:59,030 --> 02:13:56,560
it with my own two hands it was

3243
02:14:01,430 --> 02:13:59,040
digitally creative but i drew it

3244
02:14:03,430 --> 02:14:01,440
with with you know artwork software

3245
02:14:05,510 --> 02:14:03,440
whatever he told me the software he used

3246
02:14:07,030 --> 02:14:05,520
and everything i have an email from him

3247
02:14:09,270 --> 02:14:07,040
but he had a chat

3248
02:14:11,910 --> 02:14:09,280
you know he had a big chuckle about the

3249
02:14:14,229 --> 02:14:11,920
fact that she's claiming the cia gave it

3250
02:14:16,629 --> 02:14:14,239
to the video game company somehow to

3251
02:14:18,470 --> 02:14:16,639
discredit her and her alien story he had

3252
02:14:20,629 --> 02:14:18,480
a big chuckle he could and then and then

3253
02:14:22,390 --> 02:14:20,639
he said she owes me some money or she

3254
02:14:24,709 --> 02:14:22,400
owes midway some money because that's a

3255
02:14:26,470 --> 02:14:24,719
copyrighted image she had no right to

3256
02:14:28,790 --> 02:14:26,480
sell that image at all

3257
02:14:31,109 --> 02:14:28,800
that's illegal it's their copyrighted

3258
02:14:33,510 --> 02:14:31,119
trademark material

3259
02:14:34,709 --> 02:14:33,520
yeah well like i was saying i i

3260
02:14:36,709 --> 02:14:34,719
pretty sure that was the same guy i was

3261
02:14:37,990 --> 02:14:36,719
talking to him at a comic con

3262
02:14:40,550 --> 02:14:38,000
and uh

3263
02:14:42,629 --> 02:14:40,560
like weeks and weeks later she she does

3264
02:14:44,390 --> 02:14:42,639
that that she puts out this little thing

3265
02:14:46,390 --> 02:14:44,400
on youtube like it was it was just like

3266
02:14:47,589 --> 02:14:46,400
a teaser picture of it

3267
02:14:48,950 --> 02:14:47,599
and um

3268
02:14:53,669 --> 02:14:48,960
i'm looking at it

3269
02:14:55,910 --> 02:14:53,679
wait a minute i've seen this before

3270
02:14:57,830 --> 02:14:55,920
yeah most of us have played that game

3271
02:15:00,149 --> 02:14:57,840
yeah and now that the younger folks

3272
02:15:02,149 --> 02:15:00,159
would have played that game right yeah

3273
02:15:03,589 --> 02:15:02,159
and then and then during her broadcast

3274
02:15:05,910 --> 02:15:03,599
when she starts throwing it out there

3275
02:15:07,189 --> 02:15:05,920
i'm like yo that's from area 51. i met

3276
02:15:09,430 --> 02:15:07,199
that dude

3277
02:15:11,430 --> 02:15:09,440
and then i kept spawn like spamming in

3278
02:15:12,629 --> 02:15:11,440
the chat like that's [\h__\h] like what

3279
02:15:15,350 --> 02:15:12,639
are you doing

3280
02:15:16,950 --> 02:15:15,360
and uh eventually i kicked from it they

3281
02:15:18,950 --> 02:15:16,960
like straight up kicked me out of the

3282
02:15:20,629 --> 02:15:18,960
the chat and everything i come back to

3283
02:15:23,030 --> 02:15:20,639
the next one and i keep on spouting the

3284
02:15:25,910 --> 02:15:23,040
same thing like that's that's that that

3285
02:15:28,390 --> 02:15:25,920
picture is not real like it's a digital

3286
02:15:30,390 --> 02:15:28,400
picture for a video game it was licensed

3287
02:15:32,390 --> 02:15:30,400
for a video game

3288
02:15:34,229 --> 02:15:32,400
and literally actually literally kicked

3289
02:15:37,109 --> 02:15:34,239
off that artist worked it wasn't

3290
02:15:39,350 --> 02:15:37,119
licensed that artist worked at on salary

3291
02:15:41,430 --> 02:15:39,360
and anything that he created midway

3292
02:15:44,069 --> 02:15:41,440
owned so even he doesn't know the image

3293
02:15:45,669 --> 02:15:44,079
midway still owns the image but

3294
02:15:47,510 --> 02:15:45,679
who owns midway now

3295
02:15:52,870 --> 02:15:47,520
i don't know somebody they you know this

3296
02:15:57,189 --> 02:15:54,470
yeah but you guys really want to take

3297
02:15:59,030 --> 02:15:57,199
away her retirement like that i mean

3298
02:16:01,270 --> 02:15:59,040
she's worth over four million dollars

3299
02:16:03,589 --> 02:16:01,280
check her net net worth yeah i had no

3300
02:16:05,910 --> 02:16:03,599
idea you can't really trust those sites

3301
02:16:07,109 --> 02:16:05,920
that estimate people's net worth i hear

3302
02:16:09,589 --> 02:16:07,119
a lot of people say that they look

3303
02:16:12,229 --> 02:16:09,599
somebody up and those people just guess

3304
02:16:13,910 --> 02:16:12,239
but i will say that uh according to many

3305
02:16:15,910 --> 02:16:13,920
people that i said over is better than

3306
02:16:17,589 --> 02:16:15,920
the under that works conferences she's

3307
02:16:18,550 --> 02:16:17,599
very highly paid she's like one of the

3308
02:16:19,990 --> 02:16:18,560
top

3309
02:16:21,910 --> 02:16:20,000
paid people

3310
02:16:24,069 --> 02:16:21,920
she's made millions at this selling this

3311
02:16:26,390 --> 02:16:24,079
kind of garbage

3312
02:16:28,790 --> 02:16:26,400
yeah and you know it's unfortunate i

3313
02:16:30,550 --> 02:16:28,800
mean i i used to be this game

3314
02:16:32,309 --> 02:16:30,560
this game used to work like before the

3315
02:16:33,669 --> 02:16:32,319
internet this game worked for them they

3316
02:16:35,669 --> 02:16:33,679
could make up whatever they wanted

3317
02:16:38,549 --> 02:16:35,679
nobody could fact check them there was

3318
02:16:41,190 --> 02:16:38,559
no discussion and and and

3319
02:16:43,429 --> 02:16:41,200
also this thing taught us that her being

3320
02:16:45,589 --> 02:16:43,439
coddled by by

3321
02:16:47,429 --> 02:16:45,599
softball show host like jimmy church he

3322
02:16:49,349 --> 02:16:47,439
just interviewed her why didn't he ask

3323
02:16:51,030 --> 02:16:49,359
her about this and all the other fake

3324
02:16:52,870 --> 02:16:51,040
stories no he just let her sit there and

3325
02:16:55,509 --> 02:16:52,880
tell her stories and that's what every

3326
02:16:57,429 --> 02:16:55,519
ufo show host she's been on hundreds of

3327
02:17:00,389 --> 02:16:57,439
shows nobody asked her about all the

3328
02:17:03,270 --> 02:17:00,399
fake [\h__\h] that she sold not one person

3329
02:17:05,910 --> 02:17:03,280
it took an outsider in the form of kurt

3330
02:17:07,910 --> 02:17:05,920
who doesn't who didn't care he's not

3331
02:17:09,910 --> 02:17:07,920
he's not a part of their game and their

3332
02:17:11,589 --> 02:17:09,920
game is don't tell anybody about the

3333
02:17:12,629 --> 02:17:11,599
fake [\h__\h] i'm selling i won't tell you

3334
02:17:16,549 --> 02:17:12,639
about the

3335
02:17:18,629 --> 02:17:16,559
you're selling they all work together

3336
02:17:20,549 --> 02:17:18,639
you know it's terrible yeah it's it it's

3337
02:17:22,870 --> 02:17:20,559
funny how she doesn't know about the

3338
02:17:24,709 --> 02:17:22,880
story and then today jimmy church

3339
02:17:26,629 --> 02:17:24,719
doesn't know who you are on twitter you

3340
02:17:28,790 --> 02:17:26,639
know oh yeah yeah oh did he say he

3341
02:17:31,110 --> 02:17:28,800
doesn't know who i am again yeah i think

3342
02:17:32,629 --> 02:17:31,120
he deleted it every time we bring him up

3343
02:17:34,950 --> 02:17:32,639
on there every time we bring out he's

3344
02:17:37,190 --> 02:17:34,960
telling people he's told five people he

3345
02:17:39,509 --> 02:17:37,200
doesn't know who i am he's he's

3346
02:17:41,669 --> 02:17:39,519
threatening to sue me to take videos

3347
02:17:43,750 --> 02:17:41,679
down or threatening to sue youtube he

3348
02:17:46,070 --> 02:17:43,760
knows exactly who i am i've brought you

3349
02:17:47,750 --> 02:17:46,080
up in his live streams and and he he

3350
02:17:49,750 --> 02:17:47,760
sees it and like glosses right over it

3351
02:17:51,349 --> 02:17:49,760
every time

3352
02:17:53,830 --> 02:17:51,359
you guys should leave him alone though i

3353
02:17:55,830 --> 02:17:53,840
don't want to encourage anybody to uh i

3354
02:17:58,469 --> 02:17:55,840
just want to state that it's not our

3355
02:18:00,309 --> 02:17:58,479
policy to tell anybody to troll him or

3356
02:18:01,429 --> 02:18:00,319
you know he he'll say that i'm sending

3357
02:18:03,589 --> 02:18:01,439
people

3358
02:18:06,309 --> 02:18:03,599
you know now he had to ask me anything

3359
02:18:08,070 --> 02:18:06,319
and somebody asked him you know

3360
02:18:20,070 --> 02:18:08,080
why are you trying to sue steve campbell

3361
02:18:23,830 --> 02:18:21,990
about linda on that show

3362
02:18:26,389 --> 02:18:23,840
so she's known stephen gray since at

3363
02:18:28,469 --> 02:18:26,399
least 1992 right yeah she act like she

3364
02:18:30,549 --> 02:18:28,479
didn't know who he was and she acted

3365
02:18:32,870 --> 02:18:30,559
like she had no idea what ce5 was like

3366
02:18:35,270 --> 02:18:32,880
it was an unknown concept to her

3367
02:18:37,270 --> 02:18:35,280
and i don't understand that and i also

3368
02:18:39,349 --> 02:18:37,280
don't understand how she did it like but

3369
02:18:41,509 --> 02:18:39,359
she went on like a 10 minute explanation

3370
02:18:43,589 --> 02:18:41,519
of her experience with doti and didn't

3371
02:18:46,629 --> 02:18:43,599
answer the question so when carl asked

3372
02:18:48,709 --> 02:18:46,639
yes or no to as a follow-up

3373
02:18:50,790 --> 02:18:48,719
she backtracked on everything she just

3374
02:18:52,629 --> 02:18:50,800
said about believing doji

3375
02:18:54,629 --> 02:18:52,639
and said but he's a disinformation agent

3376
02:18:57,270 --> 02:18:54,639
that's what he does and it's like well

3377
02:18:58,629 --> 02:18:57,280
now you're you've just can you post

3378
02:19:00,469 --> 02:18:58,639
you believe that right

3379
02:19:01,110 --> 02:19:00,479
yeah you believe the report that he gave

3380
02:19:03,669 --> 02:19:01,120
you

3381
02:19:05,750 --> 02:19:03,679
like in five minutes she's conflicted

3382
02:19:07,589 --> 02:19:05,760
i i when i interviewed richard dodie i

3383
02:19:09,429 --> 02:19:07,599
asked him was the information that you

3384
02:19:11,429 --> 02:19:09,439
fed linda mullen how about the aliens

3385
02:19:13,990 --> 02:19:11,439
was that accurate information he claims

3386
02:19:16,549 --> 02:19:14,000
it is it was it was real information but

3387
02:19:17,270 --> 02:19:16,559
you know i don't know

3388
02:19:51,030 --> 02:19:17,280
i

3389
02:19:52,870 --> 02:19:51,040
mm-hmm that's her

3390
02:19:54,950 --> 02:19:52,880
i've heard her tell that dodie story

3391
02:19:56,790 --> 02:19:54,960
about that briefing that she read like a

3392
02:19:59,750 --> 02:19:56,800
hundred times at least

3393
02:20:02,870 --> 02:19:59,760
she always tells that story and you know

3394
02:20:05,270 --> 02:20:02,880
cattle mutilations

3395
02:20:07,349 --> 02:20:05,280
the credentials is like her

3396
02:20:08,790 --> 02:20:07,359
security blanket she can throw those out

3397
02:20:11,190 --> 02:20:08,800
there yeah

3398
02:20:13,190 --> 02:20:11,200
doesn't it make her look worse to be it

3399
02:20:14,950 --> 02:20:13,200
doesn't make it it makes her look worse

3400
02:20:15,990 --> 02:20:14,960
i'm an award-winning journalist and i

3401
02:20:17,750 --> 02:20:16,000
got a

3402
02:20:20,550 --> 02:20:17,760
video game picture that's the thing i

3403
02:20:23,910 --> 02:20:20,560
didn't want to she will not admit that

3404
02:20:25,110 --> 02:20:23,920
she got fooled it's all real to her

3405
02:20:26,630 --> 02:20:25,120
yeah i believe that she's a true

3406
02:20:28,710 --> 02:20:26,640
believer i think she went too far down

3407
02:20:30,870 --> 02:20:28,720
around the whole yeah she's emotionally

3408
02:20:33,510 --> 02:20:30,880
attached to it she's beyond emotional

3409
02:20:36,150 --> 02:20:33,520
bias she's emotionally attached

3410
02:20:38,070 --> 02:20:36,160
i just decided she thinks it's very real

3411
02:20:41,110 --> 02:20:38,080
she thinks that there's you know putin

3412
02:20:43,670 --> 02:20:41,120
spitting a moon base on mars i mean

3413
02:20:45,190 --> 02:20:43,680
or whatever a moon base on moon

3414
02:20:47,910 --> 02:20:45,200
it's

3415
02:20:49,750 --> 02:20:47,920
somewhere itself gets out there

3416
02:20:52,309 --> 02:20:49,760
yeah and i i think that these older

3417
02:20:54,790 --> 02:20:52,319
generation of people and and hey there's

3418
02:20:56,870 --> 02:20:54,800
some there's some older researchers or

3419
02:20:59,830 --> 02:20:56,880
you know uh people in this field that i

3420
02:21:01,990 --> 02:20:59,840
do respect and do good work but i i

3421
02:21:03,510 --> 02:21:02,000
think the fraud element of the older

3422
02:21:05,429 --> 02:21:03,520
crowd they're so used to being able to

3423
02:21:07,190 --> 02:21:05,439
get away with all this [\h__\h] they're not

3424
02:21:09,349 --> 02:21:07,200
prepared for the younger generation

3425
02:21:10,870 --> 02:21:09,359
coming in here that is spotting this

3426
02:21:12,550 --> 02:21:10,880
stuff and saying

3427
02:21:13,750 --> 02:21:12,560
no you're not you're not going to sell

3428
02:21:15,670 --> 02:21:13,760
us garbage

3429
02:21:17,429 --> 02:21:15,680
they've been selling garbage for so long

3430
02:21:19,270 --> 02:21:17,439
that's all they know how to do

3431
02:21:20,630 --> 02:21:19,280
and now when they're faced with these

3432
02:21:22,550 --> 02:21:20,640
younger people

3433
02:21:23,990 --> 02:21:22,560
i think they're vastly underestimating

3434
02:21:26,790 --> 02:21:24,000
the amount of people who are tired of

3435
02:21:28,550 --> 02:21:26,800
this fake [\h__\h] and just people are

3436
02:21:30,230 --> 02:21:28,560
saying that's enough no more you're not

3437
02:21:31,750 --> 02:21:30,240
welcome here with this garbage right

3438
02:21:33,590 --> 02:21:31,760
that's that's what pisses me off the

3439
02:21:35,349 --> 02:21:33,600
most about it is i've been following

3440
02:21:37,910 --> 02:21:35,359
this topic since like when i was a kid

3441
02:21:39,830 --> 02:21:37,920
when i was 12 years old i had a sighting

3442
02:21:41,910 --> 02:21:39,840
and it was it was nothing huge it was

3443
02:21:44,630 --> 02:21:41,920
nothing like oh my god blah blah blah

3444
02:21:47,190 --> 02:21:44,640
like it was a seed right it was a seed

3445
02:21:48,710 --> 02:21:47,200
and i've been obsessed ever since and i

3446
02:21:50,630 --> 02:21:48,720
followed down the rabbit hole with all

3447
02:21:52,830 --> 02:21:50,640
everybody else believed all the [\h__\h]

3448
02:21:54,710 --> 02:21:52,840
idiots out there sorry

3449
02:21:56,870 --> 02:21:54,720
anyways

3450
02:21:58,710 --> 02:21:56,880
right believed all the idiots out there

3451
02:22:00,550 --> 02:21:58,720
and then eventually like

3452
02:22:03,429 --> 02:22:00,560
came to my senses was like okay that's

3453
02:22:05,670 --> 02:22:03,439
bs okay that's bs okay that's bs like

3454
02:22:08,870 --> 02:22:05,680
why can't we just like why can't people

3455
02:22:10,230 --> 02:22:08,880
just get to what what it is like

3456
02:22:12,230 --> 02:22:10,240
of course we don't nobody knows what the

3457
02:22:13,910 --> 02:22:12,240
hell it is nobody knows i don't care who

3458
02:22:16,309 --> 02:22:13,920
you are nobody knows

3459
02:22:17,910 --> 02:22:16,319
yes they're real we get that we

3460
02:22:20,070 --> 02:22:17,920
understand that you don't have to drive

3461
02:22:21,830 --> 02:22:20,080
that down our throat anymore but quit

3462
02:22:24,150 --> 02:22:21,840
with all the fantastic crap it's

3463
02:22:25,910 --> 02:22:24,160
fantastic enough as it is

3464
02:22:27,590 --> 02:22:25,920
right yeah but you know what i think is

3465
02:22:29,830 --> 02:22:27,600
that this i think some of these

3466
02:22:31,429 --> 02:22:29,840
researchers and so-called journalists

3467
02:22:33,429 --> 02:22:31,439
they get frustrated because they've been

3468
02:22:35,030 --> 02:22:33,439
chasing this rabbit hole you know

3469
02:22:37,030 --> 02:22:35,040
running down this rabbit hole for

3470
02:22:39,110 --> 02:22:37,040
decades and they still haven't gotten to

3471
02:22:41,670 --> 02:22:39,120
the to the smoking gun proof so they

3472
02:22:43,750 --> 02:22:41,680
just start accepting anything to justify

3473
02:22:45,670 --> 02:22:43,760
why they've been you know i i question

3474
02:22:47,429 --> 02:22:45,680
myself sometimes i'm like man i've been

3475
02:22:50,150 --> 02:22:47,439
i've been digging into this stuff for

3476
02:22:52,070 --> 02:22:50,160
like since i was a kid yeah like am i

3477
02:22:53,910 --> 02:22:52,080
what if i had all that time back to do

3478
02:22:55,670 --> 02:22:53,920
something else with was it really worth

3479
02:22:57,830 --> 02:22:55,680
it to me so imagine somebody that's been

3480
02:22:58,710 --> 02:22:57,840
doing 50 years right

3481
02:23:01,270 --> 02:22:58,720
like

3482
02:23:09,750 --> 02:23:01,280
bob berkins is here welcome bob burke oh

3483
02:23:13,750 --> 02:23:11,990
you know you get invested into a single

3484
02:23:15,190 --> 02:23:13,760
case and you find out it's not what you

3485
02:23:17,990 --> 02:23:15,200
think it is

3486
02:23:19,910 --> 02:23:18,000
and you're out of money versus maybe

3487
02:23:21,990 --> 02:23:19,920
changing a few details and then all of a

3488
02:23:23,830 --> 02:23:22,000
sudden having a story

3489
02:23:26,070 --> 02:23:23,840
that is going to make you money back

3490
02:23:27,590 --> 02:23:26,080
that you're out

3491
02:23:29,670 --> 02:23:27,600
and lead you on to possible other

3492
02:23:31,830 --> 02:23:29,680
stories it i mean that's got to be a

3493
02:23:33,670 --> 02:23:31,840
devil in the detail type situation for

3494
02:23:35,270 --> 02:23:33,680
those people you know you gotta either

3495
02:23:36,710 --> 02:23:35,280
make the right choice or the wrong

3496
02:23:37,750 --> 02:23:36,720
choice a lot of them make the wrong

3497
02:23:40,469 --> 02:23:37,760
choice

3498
02:23:42,550 --> 02:23:40,479
of course that almighty dollar

3499
02:23:44,550 --> 02:23:42,560
go ahead i didn't mean to to cut you off

3500
02:23:45,910 --> 02:23:44,560
there

3501
02:23:47,670 --> 02:23:45,920
no it's quite right it gets kind of

3502
02:23:50,230 --> 02:23:47,680
difficult when there's so many people

3503
02:23:51,910 --> 02:23:50,240
but yeah let's try to keep one at a time

3504
02:23:55,429 --> 02:23:51,920
so bob's here bob what do you think of

3505
02:23:56,870 --> 02:23:55,439
this whole fiasco exactly man i was uh

3506
02:23:58,550 --> 02:23:56,880
you're the first one to bring that thing

3507
02:24:00,550 --> 02:23:58,560
on the table the thing about linda

3508
02:24:02,550 --> 02:24:00,560
bolton howell right

3509
02:24:04,469 --> 02:24:02,560
i to the best of my knowledge i was the

3510
02:24:06,469 --> 02:24:04,479
first person to publicly publish that

3511
02:24:08,790 --> 02:24:06,479
video game cover and say hey

3512
02:24:10,309 --> 02:24:08,800
guys relax this is a video game cover

3513
02:24:12,230 --> 02:24:10,319
because people were getting excited over

3514
02:24:14,950 --> 02:24:12,240
the story when she first came out with

3515
02:24:17,110 --> 02:24:14,960
it and then i emailed her

3516
02:24:19,190 --> 02:24:17,120
and then your thing went to theories of

3517
02:24:21,190 --> 02:24:19,200
everything and then my question went to

3518
02:24:23,349 --> 02:24:21,200
them yeah and then it turned into this

3519
02:24:25,270 --> 02:24:23,359
big fiasco yeah i positioned it like i

3520
02:24:26,950 --> 02:24:25,280
think you take balls man because that

3521
02:24:29,429 --> 02:24:26,960
girl is like in the field for a long

3522
02:24:32,070 --> 02:24:29,439
time and we're kind of stuck with two

3523
02:24:35,110 --> 02:24:32,080
positions you respect the woman

3524
02:24:37,349 --> 02:24:35,120
oh yeah it's closed the lie and for that

3525
02:24:38,870 --> 02:24:37,359
i was that's why i want to i just gonna

3526
02:24:40,309 --> 02:24:38,880
be here like few minutes but that's

3527
02:24:42,550 --> 02:24:40,319
where i stand i think that was very

3528
02:24:44,150 --> 02:24:42,560
important that uh that you did that

3529
02:24:46,150 --> 02:24:44,160
actually that both of you thank you i

3530
02:24:49,030 --> 02:24:46,160
appreciate it to trap her but sometimes

3531
02:24:50,790 --> 02:24:49,040
you have to face fact you know you can

3532
02:24:53,030 --> 02:24:50,800
yeah i believe that the truth is worth

3533
02:24:54,469 --> 02:24:53,040
having even if it's ugly even if it's

3534
02:24:56,150 --> 02:24:54,479
ugly i want the truth i don't want a

3535
02:25:00,790 --> 02:24:56,160
fairy tale i don't want to believe this

3536
02:25:04,309 --> 02:25:02,710
yeah anyway so that's what that was uh

3537
02:25:05,830 --> 02:25:04,319
just to uh

3538
02:25:07,349 --> 02:25:05,840
yeah welcome

3539
02:25:09,990 --> 02:25:07,359
where are you from bob

3540
02:25:11,110 --> 02:25:10,000
i'm from uh quebec actually yeah i have

3541
02:25:14,070 --> 02:25:11,120
a feeling

3542
02:25:15,590 --> 02:25:14,080
uh yeah french canadian even better well

3543
02:25:17,590 --> 02:25:15,600
thank you my friend from the north for

3544
02:25:19,670 --> 02:25:17,600
being here and and joining our panel for

3545
02:25:21,190 --> 02:25:19,680
the first time don't be a stranger and

3546
02:25:23,190 --> 02:25:21,200
thanks for being in our audience we

3547
02:25:24,630 --> 02:25:23,200
appreciate being here buddy no problem

3548
02:25:25,990 --> 02:25:24,640
i've always winner

3549
02:25:27,830 --> 02:25:26,000
i have to go so i'm going to leave you

3550
02:25:28,550 --> 02:25:27,840
guys so have a great time great thank

3551
02:25:30,950 --> 02:25:28,560
you

3552
02:25:32,710 --> 02:25:30,960
everybody

3553
02:25:34,550 --> 02:25:32,720
all right there we go i'm going to put

3554
02:25:35,510 --> 02:25:34,560
the invitation in the live chat one more

3555
02:25:38,389 --> 02:25:35,520
time

3556
02:25:39,990 --> 02:25:38,399
uh just in case anybody remaining here

3557
02:25:42,230 --> 02:25:40,000
wants to uh and

3558
02:25:44,150 --> 02:25:42,240
join but uh

3559
02:25:46,070 --> 02:25:44,160
i i put invitation

3560
02:25:47,670 --> 02:25:46,080
to join the show

3561
02:25:48,870 --> 02:25:47,680
no nudity

3562
02:25:50,550 --> 02:25:48,880
it's amazing that i have to say

3563
02:25:55,110 --> 02:25:50,560
everybody come in nude

3564
02:25:59,030 --> 02:25:57,750
so uh kari where does this leave us like

3565
02:26:03,750 --> 02:25:59,040
what what

3566
02:26:05,429 --> 02:26:03,760
i didn't even want to do this show remi

3567
02:26:07,110 --> 02:26:05,439
we kind of talked about this yeah i

3568
02:26:09,349 --> 02:26:07,120
thought it was enough to drop that clip

3569
02:26:11,030 --> 02:26:09,359
and just let it go but but my inbox

3570
02:26:12,950 --> 02:26:11,040
everybody's like no you gotta you gotta

3571
02:26:15,190 --> 02:26:12,960
tell the background of how you sent her

3572
02:26:17,750 --> 02:26:15,200
the pictures and the emails you sent her

3573
02:26:18,790 --> 02:26:17,760
and the emails she sent you back and all

3574
02:26:20,870 --> 02:26:18,800
this

3575
02:26:23,429 --> 02:26:20,880
but i'm content to just move on from

3576
02:26:25,510 --> 02:26:23,439
this and let's go on to better views

3577
02:26:27,910 --> 02:26:25,520
yeah i mean

3578
02:26:29,750 --> 02:26:27,920
i i was saying this yesterday

3579
02:26:30,710 --> 02:26:29,760
uh in a private call

3580
02:26:32,469 --> 02:26:30,720
so

3581
02:26:34,070 --> 02:26:32,479
ufology is a subject that's eventually

3582
02:26:36,070 --> 02:26:34,080
going to affect everybody on the planet

3583
02:26:37,429 --> 02:26:36,080
if it turns out to be what everybody

3584
02:26:39,349 --> 02:26:37,439
thinks it is

3585
02:26:41,670 --> 02:26:39,359
there's constantly new people coming in

3586
02:26:43,830 --> 02:26:41,680
and more people coming in

3587
02:26:45,830 --> 02:26:43,840
a reaction like linda had to all these

3588
02:26:47,990 --> 02:26:45,840
new people they don't care they don't

3589
02:26:50,150 --> 02:26:48,000
care who she is or all these awards and

3590
02:26:51,750 --> 02:26:50,160
whatever that she got because they're

3591
02:26:53,830 --> 02:26:51,760
they're just you know these are average

3592
02:26:56,070 --> 02:26:53,840
people like looking into the subject

3593
02:26:58,550 --> 02:26:56,080
the first thing they ever see

3594
02:27:00,830 --> 02:26:58,560
is someone like linda having a reaction

3595
02:27:03,670 --> 02:27:00,840
like that they're gonna go whoa

3596
02:27:05,510 --> 02:27:03,680
like i mean it could be good it could

3597
02:27:08,389 --> 02:27:05,520
lead more people to start looking into

3598
02:27:09,910 --> 02:27:08,399
the subject but it could also

3599
02:27:11,349 --> 02:27:09,920
hinder people

3600
02:27:13,349 --> 02:27:11,359
yeah

3601
02:27:15,429 --> 02:27:13,359
this is really fake and these this is

3602
02:27:17,670 --> 02:27:15,439
the this is the height of the food chain

3603
02:27:20,389 --> 02:27:17,680
here she's she's at the top of her game

3604
02:27:22,230 --> 02:27:20,399
selling this kind of fake garbage

3605
02:27:24,070 --> 02:27:22,240
it could make people think it's all fake

3606
02:27:25,910 --> 02:27:24,080
you know right

3607
02:27:27,510 --> 02:27:25,920
but this one's people's

3608
02:27:29,510 --> 02:27:27,520
journalists you know

3609
02:27:31,510 --> 02:27:29,520
all the people in her chat like

3610
02:27:33,030 --> 02:27:31,520
it's almost like a cult like everybody's

3611
02:27:34,469 --> 02:27:33,040
just like yes

3612
02:27:36,710 --> 02:27:34,479
for some people yeah it's like a

3613
02:27:38,469 --> 02:27:36,720
religion and the people the people that

3614
02:27:40,630 --> 02:27:38,479
it's like a religion for don't like you

3615
02:27:42,710 --> 02:27:40,640
attacking your sacred cows

3616
02:27:44,630 --> 02:27:42,720
not that i'm calling her a cow you know

3617
02:27:46,389 --> 02:27:44,640
and that's another thing i get that

3618
02:27:47,910 --> 02:27:46,399
she's a nice old lady and people like

3619
02:27:50,309 --> 02:27:47,920
her and she has nice cats but that

3620
02:27:52,309 --> 02:27:50,319
doesn't excuse defrauding the public

3621
02:27:54,230 --> 02:27:52,319
with completely totally fake made-up

3622
02:27:56,710 --> 02:27:54,240
stories that you're claiming are the

3623
02:27:59,110 --> 02:27:56,720
real x-files she put it in something

3624
02:28:00,870 --> 02:27:59,120
called the real x-files the real x-files

3625
02:28:02,510 --> 02:28:00,880
yeah and the only evidence was a video

3626
02:28:05,910 --> 02:28:02,520
game cover and some

3627
02:28:08,630 --> 02:28:05,920
71-year-old probably senile old man or

3628
02:28:13,429 --> 02:28:08,640
mentally ill old man telling stories you

3629
02:28:16,950 --> 02:28:15,030
maybe she should give all the money back

3630
02:28:19,670 --> 02:28:16,960
that she made from selling this story

3631
02:28:21,270 --> 02:28:19,680
and the and the spartan stories

3632
02:28:23,750 --> 02:28:21,280
but i won't hold my breath for that

3633
02:28:25,830 --> 02:28:23,760
because that's part of the hoax too

3634
02:28:27,510 --> 02:28:25,840
the the anatomy of a hoax you never give

3635
02:28:29,270 --> 02:28:27,520
the money back you just run with the

3636
02:28:31,830 --> 02:28:29,280
money and then you come up with a new

3637
02:28:34,389 --> 02:28:31,840
fantastical story after you lay low for

3638
02:28:36,389 --> 02:28:34,399
a while or regurgitate the same crap

3639
02:28:38,070 --> 02:28:36,399
that uh dodie told her over and over and

3640
02:28:39,429 --> 02:28:38,080
over even though he said

3641
02:28:41,910 --> 02:28:39,439
okay most of the stuff i told her was

3642
02:28:43,590 --> 02:28:41,920
bullcrap and she's she just sticks to it

3643
02:28:45,910 --> 02:28:43,600
man

3644
02:28:47,590 --> 02:28:45,920
yeah every everyone sent me a message

3645
02:28:49,349 --> 02:28:47,600
actually he said

3646
02:28:51,030 --> 02:28:49,359
dodie sent me a message about that clip

3647
02:28:53,590 --> 02:28:51,040
and he said i should come on your show

3648
02:28:55,270 --> 02:28:53,600
and and rebut her and and

3649
02:28:57,429 --> 02:28:55,280
have some time that's not fair that

3650
02:28:59,830 --> 02:28:57,439
she's talking about me and i

3651
02:29:01,429 --> 02:28:59,840
like he didn't get to tell his two cents

3652
02:29:02,790 --> 02:29:01,439
maybe we'll do that but i don't i don't

3653
02:29:05,349 --> 02:29:02,800
know you know

3654
02:29:07,429 --> 02:29:05,359
i paid for that that when the spartan

3655
02:29:09,429 --> 02:29:07,439
one i i bought that

3656
02:29:10,950 --> 02:29:09,439
i also bought one with the pilot you

3657
02:29:11,830 --> 02:29:10,960
know with the pilot that they talked

3658
02:29:13,590 --> 02:29:11,840
about

3659
02:29:14,469 --> 02:29:13,600
nice and all that one too yeah a good

3660
02:29:15,830 --> 02:29:14,479
guy

3661
02:29:18,230 --> 02:29:15,840
to waste your money

3662
02:29:19,270 --> 02:29:18,240
yeah imagine if i put that in bitcoin we

3663
02:29:21,510 --> 02:29:19,280
had all right

3664
02:29:23,349 --> 02:29:21,520
man right i could be throwing out 100

3665
02:29:25,270 --> 02:29:23,359
bills so i could see nothing

3666
02:29:27,429 --> 02:29:25,280
so i'm really upset about that but no

3667
02:29:28,950 --> 02:29:27,439
i'm just but yeah it's crazy that she

3668
02:29:30,710 --> 02:29:28,960
goes and then the surfo stuff it's

3669
02:29:33,349 --> 02:29:30,720
literally it seems like all of her

3670
02:29:35,349 --> 02:29:33,359
sources come from dodie or he maybe

3671
02:29:38,230 --> 02:29:35,359
introduced her to people and then she

3672
02:29:40,309 --> 02:29:38,240
claimed that those were sources

3673
02:29:44,950 --> 02:29:40,319
you know or her sources are anonymous

3674
02:29:49,670 --> 02:29:47,830
don shipley caught that her anonymous

3675
02:29:51,590 --> 02:29:49,680
seal couldn't be a real navy seal

3676
02:29:53,910 --> 02:29:51,600
because he gave a completely totally

3677
02:29:56,950 --> 02:29:53,920
wrong rank that doesn't even exist in

3678
02:29:59,590 --> 02:29:56,960
the navy that's how little she checks

3679
02:30:02,150 --> 02:29:59,600
he gave her the wrong rank for a navy

3680
02:30:04,230 --> 02:30:02,160
person a rank that only exists in the

3681
02:30:07,190 --> 02:30:04,240
army and the marines it doesn't exist in

3682
02:30:09,030 --> 02:30:07,200
the navy and certainly no navy seal is

3683
02:30:10,710 --> 02:30:09,040
is is that rank

3684
02:30:11,590 --> 02:30:10,720
and she still ran with the story you

3685
02:30:13,030 --> 02:30:11,600
know

3686
02:30:15,429 --> 02:30:13,040
would it be fair to say that she uses

3687
02:30:23,429 --> 02:30:15,439
her name as a seal of credibility more

3688
02:30:28,469 --> 02:30:25,429
people will come to her with a story and

3689
02:30:30,710 --> 02:30:28,479
she'll go oh i'll start my name on it

3690
02:30:33,030 --> 02:30:30,720
you know give me 30 i'll slap my name on

3691
02:30:35,510 --> 02:30:33,040
it anonymous with a kind and generous

3692
02:30:37,750 --> 02:30:35,520
499 super chat says very disappointed to

3693
02:30:39,670 --> 02:30:37,760
see her run from hard questions i wonder

3694
02:30:41,670 --> 02:30:39,680
how she would react to someone evading

3695
02:30:43,270 --> 02:30:41,680
her in-depth questions that's a fair

3696
02:30:44,710 --> 02:30:43,280
point and thank you for your kindness

3697
02:30:46,710 --> 02:30:44,720
your generosity and your support of the

3698
02:30:49,270 --> 02:30:46,720
show out of this rex much appreciate it

3699
02:30:51,030 --> 02:30:49,280
praise the cash friends

3700
02:30:53,750 --> 02:30:51,040
i i agree

3701
02:30:57,270 --> 02:30:53,760
i think you uh i think you get to buy

3702
02:30:59,190 --> 02:30:57,280
the seal of mlh

3703
02:31:01,349 --> 02:30:59,200
lmh whatever it is

3704
02:31:02,150 --> 02:31:01,359
i think you get to buy it like you said

3705
02:31:04,150 --> 02:31:02,160
like

3706
02:31:05,910 --> 02:31:04,160
it's whatever story

3707
02:31:08,469 --> 02:31:05,920
yeah i mean it's unfortunate you can

3708
02:31:10,950 --> 02:31:08,479
better stamp on it and then yeah i mean

3709
02:31:14,870 --> 02:31:10,960
it's what it seems like it's just

3710
02:31:16,790 --> 02:31:14,880
there's a lot out there she's done a lot

3711
02:31:18,150 --> 02:31:16,800
i haven't found any other examples where

3712
02:31:19,750 --> 02:31:18,160
she was asked about it maddie so if you

3713
02:31:21,190 --> 02:31:19,760
have any links i'd be curious to see

3714
02:31:22,950 --> 02:31:21,200
what she said and well there was that

3715
02:31:24,469 --> 02:31:22,960
that original clip where someone asked

3716
02:31:25,990 --> 02:31:24,479
her on the youtube oh yeah somebody

3717
02:31:30,810 --> 02:31:26,000
asked her on her own youtube stream and

3718
02:31:35,349 --> 02:31:32,389
[Music]

3719
02:31:37,110 --> 02:31:35,359
it was so hard to edit that today

3720
02:31:38,710 --> 02:31:37,120
yeah

3721
02:31:40,950 --> 02:31:38,720
kari and i both had problems with our

3722
02:31:42,950 --> 02:31:40,960
video editors today right it took me

3723
02:31:44,870 --> 02:31:42,960
hours longer to get that shiftly video

3724
02:31:46,870 --> 02:31:44,880
done because my thing would go to the

3725
02:31:49,429 --> 02:31:46,880
end of the render and stop and it did

3726
02:31:51,030 --> 02:31:49,439
that right times in a row stupid windows

3727
02:31:52,630 --> 02:31:51,040
update i had to render out three times

3728
02:31:54,389 --> 02:31:52,640
and every time it cut off the last five

3729
02:31:55,670 --> 02:31:54,399
seconds of my video that's why it went

3730
02:31:57,750 --> 02:31:55,680
black at the end because it just i'm

3731
02:31:59,510 --> 02:31:57,760
going back to a linux box i don't care i

3732
02:32:01,910 --> 02:31:59,520
don't care what i miss i'm not going to

3733
02:32:04,150 --> 02:32:01,920
miss anything i think it was susan go

3734
02:32:05,830 --> 02:32:04,160
i think yeah

3735
02:32:08,070 --> 02:32:05,840
what did you think of the interview up

3736
02:32:10,790 --> 02:32:08,080
until the meltdown part

3737
02:32:12,469 --> 02:32:10,800
on with kurt

3738
02:32:15,110 --> 02:32:12,479
no offense to cut but i've heard that

3739
02:32:18,469 --> 02:32:15,120
interview like 20 times from now so i

3740
02:32:21,270 --> 02:32:18,479
felt i felt the same way a million times

3741
02:32:23,429 --> 02:32:21,280
yeah yeah yeah i was just here for all

3742
02:32:25,750 --> 02:32:23,439
but the last 20 minutes we've all heard

3743
02:32:27,510 --> 02:32:25,760
those stories like a hundred times

3744
02:32:29,510 --> 02:32:27,520
nothing new there it seemed like she had

3745
02:32:31,750 --> 02:32:29,520
it like it was four stories that she had

3746
02:32:33,270 --> 02:32:31,760
that she was on play with

3747
02:32:35,190 --> 02:32:33,280
yeah that she was going back and forth

3748
02:32:37,349 --> 02:32:35,200
through it was like yeah it was like her

3749
02:32:40,070 --> 02:32:37,359
greatest tense like here's the end

3750
02:32:42,230 --> 02:32:40,080
story that's all they are story yeah

3751
02:32:44,070 --> 02:32:42,240
greatest hits that's good

3752
02:32:46,469 --> 02:32:44,080
somebody's got to explain to me

3753
02:32:48,150 --> 02:32:46,479
when she says homo sapiens sapien what

3754
02:32:50,550 --> 02:32:48,160
is she saying because it's not homo

3755
02:32:52,950 --> 02:32:50,560
sapien sapien it's homo sapien why did

3756
02:32:54,469 --> 02:32:52,960
she always say that sapien twice i never

3757
02:32:56,309 --> 02:32:54,479
understood that but

3758
02:32:58,950 --> 02:32:56,319
you know i i'm not an

3759
02:33:00,309 --> 02:32:58,960
i'm not a anthropologist so i i don't

3760
02:33:02,469 --> 02:33:00,319
know

3761
02:33:04,389 --> 02:33:02,479
she's not obviously a zoologist or

3762
02:33:07,270 --> 02:33:04,399
anything either she's struggling with

3763
02:33:09,910 --> 02:33:07,280
that kangaroo situation

3764
02:33:11,510 --> 02:33:09,920
vote unquote

3765
02:33:13,830 --> 02:33:11,520
that's what kills me every time quote

3766
02:33:15,510 --> 02:33:13,840
unquote quote unquote yeah when i did

3767
02:33:17,830 --> 02:33:15,520
the character of her that's that's how i

3768
02:33:22,309 --> 02:33:17,840
sold it quote

3769
02:33:25,830 --> 02:33:23,990
it'd be interesting to see if she's

3770
02:33:29,030 --> 02:33:25,840
going to comment on this going forward

3771
02:33:30,630 --> 02:33:29,040
or she i i believe that she's just

3772
02:33:32,550 --> 02:33:30,640
sweep it under the rug and keep going

3773
02:33:34,469 --> 02:33:32,560
with another new fake story yeah and

3774
02:33:37,990 --> 02:33:34,479
maybe we'll cover our new fake stories

3775
02:33:39,910 --> 02:33:38,000
right i think we should i mean it's

3776
02:33:41,910 --> 02:33:39,920
post-destruction media we don't have to

3777
02:33:44,710 --> 02:33:41,920
be mean about it but we can point out

3778
02:33:46,710 --> 02:33:44,720
untruth without being mean like

3779
02:33:47,510 --> 02:33:46,720
i don't think it's disrespectful to do

3780
02:33:51,590 --> 02:33:47,520
that

3781
02:33:53,349 --> 02:33:51,600
five dollar super chat and says the same

3782
02:33:55,910 --> 02:33:53,359
thing i've always been saying it's a big

3783
02:33:57,429 --> 02:33:55,920
club and we ain't in it laugh out loud

3784
02:33:59,590 --> 02:33:57,439
praise the cast thank you for i feel

3785
02:34:01,110 --> 02:33:59,600
like and you're supportive club

3786
02:34:02,469 --> 02:34:01,120
and we're stood at the back going they

3787
02:34:04,550 --> 02:34:02,479
don't know

3788
02:34:06,710 --> 02:34:04,560
well i said a long time ago

3789
02:34:08,790 --> 02:34:06,720
you know it's like these people that

3790
02:34:10,389 --> 02:34:08,800
there's like gatekeepers in this thing

3791
02:34:13,190 --> 02:34:10,399
and they and they try to act like they

3792
02:34:15,349 --> 02:34:13,200
get to decide who gets to do this or not

3793
02:34:17,990 --> 02:34:15,359
and we see this in the form of some show

3794
02:34:21,110 --> 02:34:18,000
hosts get a billion

3795
02:34:23,030 --> 02:34:21,120
amounts of help from the club

3796
02:34:25,590 --> 02:34:23,040
we get nothing we get nothing we got to

3797
02:34:27,429 --> 02:34:25,600
do it on our own

3798
02:34:29,190 --> 02:34:27,439
i decided

3799
02:34:30,950 --> 02:34:29,200
i'm not going to ask for my place at the

3800
02:34:32,870 --> 02:34:30,960
table i'm just taking it i don't need

3801
02:34:34,710 --> 02:34:32,880
your help to do my show right these

3802
02:34:37,190 --> 02:34:34,720
other weaklings need the help of these

3803
02:34:39,110 --> 02:34:37,200
ufo celebrities they need to let the ufo

3804
02:34:41,990 --> 02:34:39,120
celebrities [\h__\h] i don't need to do

3805
02:34:44,710 --> 02:34:42,000
that and another point to make

3806
02:34:46,790 --> 02:34:44,720
another show host said that uh you know

3807
02:34:50,150 --> 02:34:46,800
i'm rude and obnoxious and that turns

3808
02:34:52,309 --> 02:34:50,160
people off like i have no filter left

3809
02:34:54,070 --> 02:34:52,319
and i'm i'm sorry about that but i just

3810
02:34:56,389 --> 02:34:54,080
i i don't have any patience left for

3811
02:34:58,389 --> 02:34:56,399
these scammers and there's no rule that

3812
02:35:00,710 --> 02:34:58,399
says i have to be nice to people who are

3813
02:35:02,469 --> 02:35:00,720
scamming people why should i be nice to

3814
02:35:04,870 --> 02:35:02,479
people who are stealing money from

3815
02:35:06,710 --> 02:35:04,880
people including some of my friends i

3816
02:35:08,630 --> 02:35:06,720
get emails all the time oh i signed up

3817
02:35:11,110 --> 02:35:08,640
for linda's website to see that picture

3818
02:35:13,030 --> 02:35:11,120
and she got me for 55 or something you

3819
02:35:15,590 --> 02:35:13,040
know i have no

3820
02:35:17,429 --> 02:35:15,600
tonight i was as cordial and and fair

3821
02:35:18,870 --> 02:35:17,439
with her as i could be but i don't have

3822
02:35:21,670 --> 02:35:18,880
to be nice to her

3823
02:35:23,429 --> 02:35:21,680
she's scamming people right you know am

3824
02:35:26,150 --> 02:35:23,439
i supposed to be nice to somebody that

3825
02:35:28,469 --> 02:35:26,160
like steals from me or steals from my

3826
02:35:30,230 --> 02:35:28,479
family or steals from my friends

3827
02:35:31,750 --> 02:35:30,240
why would i be nice to them they're

3828
02:35:33,349 --> 02:35:31,760
thieves

3829
02:35:34,790 --> 02:35:33,359
everybody that in this field that does

3830
02:35:35,750 --> 02:35:34,800
that they just need to be called out

3831
02:35:38,389 --> 02:35:35,760
period

3832
02:35:39,670 --> 02:35:38,399
yep just no matter what

3833
02:35:41,750 --> 02:35:39,680
i mean you don't like you said you don't

3834
02:35:43,349 --> 02:35:41,760
have to be an ass about it but i'm gonna

3835
02:35:45,590 --> 02:35:43,359
try it look if you're gonna peddle the

3836
02:35:47,270 --> 02:35:45,600
diplomatic i'm trying to be nicer i'm

3837
02:35:49,510 --> 02:35:47,280
trying to yell and scream less because i

3838
02:35:51,429 --> 02:35:49,520
get it it's kind of funny when i pop off

3839
02:35:53,030 --> 02:35:51,439
but some people don't like it and they

3840
02:35:56,070 --> 02:35:53,040
say i shouldn't do that be more

3841
02:35:58,309 --> 02:35:56,080
respectful and be more i i had a real

3842
02:36:00,710 --> 02:35:58,319
journalist uh

3843
02:36:01,990 --> 02:36:00,720
watch my show a lot and say you're

3844
02:36:03,349 --> 02:36:02,000
really good at this but you gotta be

3845
02:36:04,230 --> 02:36:03,359
more professional you can't yell on

3846
02:36:05,910 --> 02:36:04,240
screen

3847
02:36:07,750 --> 02:36:05,920
you know and i get it i'm trying to

3848
02:36:09,830 --> 02:36:07,760
improve i said i'm gonna try to be kind

3849
02:36:12,150 --> 02:36:09,840
or gentler and more diplomatic and then

3850
02:36:14,150 --> 02:36:12,160
this happened you got to have an alex

3851
02:36:17,990 --> 02:36:14,160
jones moment every once in a while dude

3852
02:36:19,429 --> 02:36:18,000
yeah turn the freaking frogs gay

3853
02:36:21,590 --> 02:36:19,439
right

3854
02:36:23,670 --> 02:36:21,600
yeah

3855
02:36:26,150 --> 02:36:23,680
i will share that uh

3856
02:36:27,910 --> 02:36:26,160
i will i will uh share that link to join

3857
02:36:29,110 --> 02:36:27,920
the panel one last time if anybody would

3858
02:36:30,710 --> 02:36:29,120
like to come in but we're going to be

3859
02:36:32,389 --> 02:36:30,720
wrapping things up shortly here because

3860
02:36:34,070 --> 02:36:32,399
i didn't think we were going to go this

3861
02:36:34,870 --> 02:36:34,080
this long right

3862
02:36:37,750 --> 02:36:34,880
but

3863
02:36:41,429 --> 02:36:40,070
very very jam-packed and by the way yeah

3864
02:36:43,110 --> 02:36:41,439
i think we're presenting a lot of data

3865
02:36:45,190 --> 02:36:43,120
tonight you know a lot of data points

3866
02:36:46,469 --> 02:36:45,200
proving that we're not [\h__\h] here

3867
02:36:48,309 --> 02:36:46,479
she's been involved in all these fake

3868
02:36:50,710 --> 02:36:48,319
stories people should know that before

3869
02:36:53,110 --> 02:36:50,720
they decide to plop down cash to see her

3870
02:36:55,190 --> 02:36:53,120
at a conference or pay a hundred dollars

3871
02:36:57,270 --> 02:36:55,200
oh that's another thing linda moulton

3872
02:36:59,190 --> 02:36:57,280
hale is working with convicted fraud

3873
02:37:01,190 --> 02:36:59,200
fell and billy carson who's convicted of

3874
02:37:02,309 --> 02:37:01,200
fraud and the person who runs his

3875
02:37:04,630 --> 02:37:02,319
company

3876
02:37:06,950 --> 02:37:04,640
elizabeth hoekstra was also convicted of

3877
02:37:09,110 --> 02:37:06,960
bank fraud and and money laundering and

3878
02:37:11,510 --> 02:37:09,120
all these other fraud charges so she's

3879
02:37:14,309 --> 02:37:11,520
working for criminals and she's also

3880
02:37:17,030 --> 02:37:14,319
working for j3 films who is right now

3881
02:37:19,030 --> 02:37:17,040
profiting and promoting from a kitty

3882
02:37:20,469 --> 02:37:19,040
porn collector so when she stands there

3883
02:37:22,550 --> 02:37:20,479
with a straight face telling everybody

3884
02:37:24,790 --> 02:37:22,560
she's a credible journalist i just want

3885
02:37:26,870 --> 02:37:24,800
to remind her that credible journalists

3886
02:37:29,590 --> 02:37:26,880
don't work for criminals a pair of

3887
02:37:31,750 --> 02:37:29,600
criminals that are fraud felons and

3888
02:37:33,990 --> 02:37:31,760
credible journalists would not work for

3889
02:37:36,389 --> 02:37:34,000
a company that are right now actively

3890
02:37:38,950 --> 02:37:36,399
promoting and profiting from a convicted

3891
02:37:41,429 --> 02:37:38,960
kiddie porn guy i'm fairly sure netflix

3892
02:37:43,349 --> 02:37:41,439
also still carries that movie um yeah

3893
02:37:44,710 --> 02:37:43,359
maybe we should maybe

3894
02:37:47,030 --> 02:37:44,720
like tweet

3895
02:37:48,550 --> 02:37:47,040
until they take it away

3896
02:37:50,070 --> 02:37:48,560
yeah come on they don't care they did it

3897
02:37:51,910 --> 02:37:50,080
with other stuff they got that video

3898
02:37:53,190 --> 02:37:51,920
with those 12 year old girls working all

3899
02:37:55,910 --> 02:37:53,200
over town i mean they're not going to

3900
02:37:59,190 --> 02:37:55,920
take down san romanak

3901
02:38:04,389 --> 02:38:02,309
stupid should a stupid documentary

3902
02:38:06,389 --> 02:38:04,399
you know it's it's it's so bad i don't

3903
02:38:08,230 --> 02:38:06,399
know how anybody even believes that for

3904
02:38:10,469 --> 02:38:08,240
a second it's funnier to watch that

3905
02:38:12,550 --> 02:38:10,479
documentary nail knowing that he got

3906
02:38:15,270 --> 02:38:12,560
convicted for kitty porn right after

3907
02:38:17,349 --> 02:38:15,280
that came out mm-hmm dude you know that

3908
02:38:18,710 --> 02:38:17,359
alien popping up out of the window oh

3909
02:38:20,630 --> 02:38:18,720
god

3910
02:38:22,230 --> 02:38:20,640
just his reaction i'm like how do you

3911
02:38:24,550 --> 02:38:22,240
believe this

3912
02:38:26,710 --> 02:38:24,560
and it was like a mask from ebay a very

3913
02:38:28,710 --> 02:38:26,720
common man

3914
02:38:30,150 --> 02:38:28,720
i don't know tom cruise probably sold it

3915
02:38:31,910 --> 02:38:30,160
a little better a bit

3916
02:38:33,910 --> 02:38:31,920
there's a there's a comment in the chat

3917
02:38:36,309 --> 02:38:33,920
it says linda martin how is rich

3918
02:38:39,190 --> 02:38:36,319
giordano's mother if you all didn't know

3919
02:38:41,110 --> 02:38:39,200
um i know i feels pretty tinfoil but

3920
02:38:43,590 --> 02:38:41,120
needs more investigation i think oh i

3921
02:38:46,469 --> 02:38:43,600
gotta say something about that so i post

3922
02:38:48,309 --> 02:38:46,479
this video of of rich from goof on

3923
02:38:50,469 --> 02:38:48,319
having a rant getting pissed off because

3924
02:38:52,790 --> 02:38:50,479
we kind of scooped him with this area

3925
02:38:55,110 --> 02:38:52,800
503's documentary story

3926
02:38:56,950 --> 02:38:55,120
we're fine i was just busting his balls

3927
02:39:00,389 --> 02:38:56,960
because this is what happened i swear to

3928
02:39:02,630 --> 02:39:00,399
god i was wha i was what somebody said

3929
02:39:05,110 --> 02:39:02,640
listen to rich he's busting your balls

3930
02:39:07,429 --> 02:39:05,120
and i happen to be listening to that

3931
02:39:10,150 --> 02:39:07,439
piece of orchestral music

3932
02:39:12,150 --> 02:39:10,160
so i go to listen to rich and i go wow

3933
02:39:14,550 --> 02:39:12,160
that's weird it like syncs up to what

3934
02:39:16,870 --> 02:39:14,560
he's bitching about so i thought it was

3935
02:39:18,550 --> 02:39:16,880
funny and i put it together we're fine

3936
02:39:20,469 --> 02:39:18,560
you know he's still i listen to arguing

3937
02:39:22,309 --> 02:39:20,479
with me that that s4

3938
02:39:24,950 --> 02:39:22,319
story was real

3939
02:39:26,550 --> 02:39:24,960
and uh whatever oh look at that we have

3940
02:39:28,550 --> 02:39:26,560
cal korff here you know i'm going to get

3941
02:39:29,910 --> 02:39:28,560
a bunch of [\h__\h] on twitter for letting

3942
02:39:31,990 --> 02:39:29,920
you on my show

3943
02:39:33,990 --> 02:39:32,000
or something you may have said 20 years

3944
02:39:35,750 --> 02:39:34,000
ago cal how long have you been on the

3945
02:39:39,990 --> 02:39:35,760
ocean

3946
02:39:44,630 --> 02:39:41,510
yeah you look like you look like the

3947
02:39:47,429 --> 02:39:44,640
gordon's oh yeah yeah yeah no this is uh

3948
02:39:50,630 --> 02:39:47,439
uh what i'm doing is i'm doing uh

3949
02:40:05,030 --> 02:39:50,640
hillbilly meyer so i oh

3950
02:40:08,550 --> 02:40:06,150
i want to make sure everybody

3951
02:40:10,870 --> 02:40:08,560
understands first of all i cannot be

3952
02:40:14,150 --> 02:40:10,880
held responsible for everything calcorp

3953
02:40:15,990 --> 02:40:14,160
ever said but what i will say is attack

3954
02:40:16,950 --> 02:40:16,000
the information and research in his

3955
02:40:20,070 --> 02:40:16,960
books

3956
02:40:21,990 --> 02:40:20,080
attack his work they never do they go

3957
02:40:23,670 --> 02:40:22,000
through some personal thing or some [\h__\h]

3958
02:40:26,630 --> 02:40:23,680
you said

3959
02:40:29,030 --> 02:40:26,640
20 years ago i cannot i can't know what

3960
02:40:30,710 --> 02:40:29,040
he said 20 years ago

3961
02:40:33,590 --> 02:40:30,720
but i know that his research and his

3962
02:40:34,389 --> 02:40:33,600
work is very well sourced impeccable

3963
02:40:36,790 --> 02:40:34,399
research

3964
02:40:39,429 --> 02:40:36,800
so if anybody has a problem with him cal

3965
02:40:41,510 --> 02:40:39,439
has invited them to come on their show

3966
02:40:44,230 --> 02:40:41,520
don't [\h__\h] at me on twitter because you

3967
02:40:46,830 --> 02:40:44,240
don't like him go on a show

3968
02:40:50,469 --> 02:40:46,840
right yeah there's a forum now on my

3969
02:40:53,190 --> 02:40:50,479
website there's a forum on his website

3970
02:40:55,030 --> 02:40:53,200
come on let's do it you know and i want

3971
02:40:57,349 --> 02:40:55,040
you to know steven that years ago in

3972
02:40:59,830 --> 02:40:57,359
prague we did a live show for two hours

3973
02:41:02,150 --> 02:40:59,840
and the host said send in your faxes

3974
02:41:03,269 --> 02:41:02,160
everything you have against this guy

3975
02:41:07,349 --> 02:41:03,279
nothing

3976
02:41:09,269 --> 02:41:07,359
it's all [\h__\h] so they don't attack

3977
02:41:11,590 --> 02:41:09,279
the data they attack the person that's

3978
02:41:13,269 --> 02:41:11,600
the first well just just so you know cal

3979
02:41:15,349 --> 02:41:13,279
that they're kind of like

3980
02:41:16,630 --> 02:41:15,359
here's what happens on twitter i want to

3981
02:41:17,990 --> 02:41:16,640
make sure that you and i talk about this

3982
02:41:20,790 --> 02:41:18,000
a little bit and you and i both

3983
02:41:22,630 --> 02:41:20,800
understand each other sure i go after

3984
02:41:25,030 --> 02:41:22,640
one of the sacred cows

3985
02:41:27,190 --> 02:41:25,040
whose these people lick the asses of one

3986
02:41:28,870 --> 02:41:27,200
of their ufo celebrity heroes

3987
02:41:31,190 --> 02:41:28,880
from doing something like tonight like

3988
02:41:33,269 --> 02:41:31,200
selling a fake video game cover as a

3989
02:41:35,590 --> 02:41:33,279
picture of a real alien they get pissed

3990
02:41:37,990 --> 02:41:35,600
off at me and the only thing they have

3991
02:41:39,670 --> 02:41:38,000
is well you had kalkwarf on your show

3992
02:41:41,910 --> 02:41:39,680
and he said this [\h__\h] and i don't even

3993
02:41:44,230 --> 02:41:41,920
know what they're talking about you know

3994
02:41:47,030 --> 02:41:44,240
but that's how they attack me because

3995
02:41:48,710 --> 02:41:47,040
suddenly i'm not fair to you or i'm not

3996
02:41:49,670 --> 02:41:48,720
being fair because i don't bust your

3997
02:41:52,150 --> 02:41:49,680
balls

3998
02:41:54,230 --> 02:41:52,160
i i i've never found a problem with most

3999
02:41:56,389 --> 02:41:54,240
of cal's research i disagree with some

4000
02:41:58,550 --> 02:41:56,399
of his conclusions sometimes but that

4001
02:41:59,830 --> 02:41:58,560
may be my own bias with roswell and a

4002
02:42:02,150 --> 02:41:59,840
few other things you know i want to

4003
02:42:03,030 --> 02:42:02,160
believe it's aliens i don't believe cows

4004
02:42:04,309 --> 02:42:03,040
like

4005
02:42:05,429 --> 02:42:04,319
it's just this

4006
02:42:07,910 --> 02:42:05,439
you know

4007
02:42:08,710 --> 02:42:07,920
but the the the personal attacks against

4008
02:42:14,150 --> 02:42:08,720
me

4009
02:42:15,990 --> 02:42:14,160
or you know within this book or whatever

4010
02:42:17,510 --> 02:42:16,000
it's just ridiculous like especially

4011
02:42:19,510 --> 02:42:17,520
because cal is inviting them if they

4012
02:42:21,190 --> 02:42:19,520
have a problem take it up with him

4013
02:42:22,950 --> 02:42:21,200
there's a forum on his website you could

4014
02:42:24,950 --> 02:42:22,960
go on a show and ask him any questions

4015
02:42:27,190 --> 02:42:24,960
you want get him to clarify something

4016
02:42:28,870 --> 02:42:27,200
that he said 20 years ago or explain it

4017
02:42:31,110 --> 02:42:28,880
i'm not going to do that i don't care

4018
02:42:33,269 --> 02:42:31,120
about what he said 20 years ago

4019
02:42:34,389 --> 02:42:33,279
if i have him on my show like i had him

4020
02:42:37,190 --> 02:42:34,399
on my show

4021
02:42:38,950 --> 02:42:37,200
when we did a series on roswell because

4022
02:42:40,550 --> 02:42:38,960
he has one of the most well respected

4023
02:42:42,150 --> 02:42:40,560
books on roswell

4024
02:42:43,830 --> 02:42:42,160
so that's why he's on my show because

4025
02:42:46,550 --> 02:42:43,840
he's an expert

4026
02:42:48,070 --> 02:42:46,560
on that topic i don't give a [\h__\h] about

4027
02:42:50,230 --> 02:42:48,080
you don't like him because he said

4028
02:42:52,230 --> 02:42:50,240
something stup you know whatever

4029
02:42:54,070 --> 02:42:52,240
i don't understand it

4030
02:42:55,429 --> 02:42:54,080
it's um i'll tell you exactly what it is

4031
02:42:57,429 --> 02:42:55,439
and i think that

4032
02:43:00,550 --> 02:42:57,439
some of that a lot of it is mikey horn

4033
02:43:03,190 --> 02:43:00,560
too with soccer counts oh yeah but um

4034
02:43:05,510 --> 02:43:03,200
independent of that um

4035
02:43:07,830 --> 02:43:05,520
the short version is that uh

4036
02:43:10,790 --> 02:43:07,840
unless my plans go south i'm going to

4037
02:43:14,150 --> 02:43:10,800
get a phd thesis on hate haters

4038
02:43:15,750 --> 02:43:14,160
extremists conspiracy nuts

4039
02:43:18,070 --> 02:43:15,760
these websites have been a great

4040
02:43:19,750 --> 02:43:18,080
laboratory over the years and that's the

4041
02:43:21,269 --> 02:43:19,760
answer why i haven't really said

4042
02:43:24,389 --> 02:43:21,279
anything all these years because if i

4043
02:43:26,710 --> 02:43:24,399
said oh i'm going to do this and study

4044
02:43:28,309 --> 02:43:26,720
this then you affect the data you

4045
02:43:30,710 --> 02:43:28,319
contaminate it and you have to let these

4046
02:43:33,190 --> 02:43:30,720
people take the rope and run with it

4047
02:43:35,590 --> 02:43:33,200
so having grown up with stanton friedman

4048
02:43:37,269 --> 02:43:35,600
and as you if you saw our hill show you

4049
02:43:38,950 --> 02:43:37,279
saw bob schaefer how i found out that

4050
02:43:40,389 --> 02:43:38,960
friedman was misleading me and all that

4051
02:43:41,349 --> 02:43:40,399
other stuff and all this stuff is coming

4052
02:43:43,349 --> 02:43:41,359
out now

4053
02:43:45,510 --> 02:43:43,359
and i warned people years ago that if we

4054
02:43:47,110 --> 02:43:45,520
don't take the fringe stuff seriously

4055
02:43:49,190 --> 02:43:47,120
it's going to creep into mainstream and

4056
02:43:50,309 --> 02:43:49,200
if just enough people believe it society

4057
02:43:53,269 --> 02:43:50,319
is over it doesn't have to be the

4058
02:43:55,269 --> 02:43:53,279
majority just has to be enough of

4059
02:43:56,630 --> 02:43:55,279
people whatever that number is and now

4060
02:43:57,510 --> 02:43:56,640
of course it's uh

4061
02:44:03,670 --> 02:43:57,520
um

4062
02:44:05,190 --> 02:44:03,680
and also just to be just to be clear

4063
02:44:06,870 --> 02:44:05,200
you know i said something on twitter and

4064
02:44:09,830 --> 02:44:06,880
i want to make sure that you understand

4065
02:44:11,990 --> 02:44:09,840
me and don't take offense sure i said

4066
02:44:14,150 --> 02:44:12,000
that a lot of these and they're nameless

4067
02:44:15,910 --> 02:44:14,160
a lot of them are nameless faceless

4068
02:44:17,670 --> 02:44:15,920
yeah they are but then but then other

4069
02:44:19,990 --> 02:44:17,680
people that have a problem with me jump

4070
02:44:22,710 --> 02:44:20,000
on because hell steve you hosted him you

4071
02:44:25,590 --> 02:44:22,720
[\h__\h] but and and i don't i don't want

4072
02:44:27,429 --> 02:44:25,600
to take anything away from kalkur but

4073
02:44:29,590 --> 02:44:27,439
these nameless faceless accounts are

4074
02:44:32,309 --> 02:44:29,600
most likely one of the people that he

4075
02:44:33,830 --> 02:44:32,319
busted because and and i think it's a

4076
02:44:35,110 --> 02:44:33,840
lot of times it's mikey horn because you

4077
02:44:37,429 --> 02:44:35,120
know

4078
02:44:39,269 --> 02:44:37,439
no offense to cal court but nobody cares

4079
02:44:41,590 --> 02:44:39,279
that much about something that kalkor

4080
02:44:44,070 --> 02:44:41,600
said 20 or 25 years ago that's right

4081
02:44:46,469 --> 02:44:44,080
somebody looking for dirt to to make him

4082
02:44:48,870 --> 02:44:46,479
look bad because he busted the [\h__\h] out

4083
02:44:50,550 --> 02:44:48,880
of their ufo sex goal

4084
02:44:52,870 --> 02:44:50,560
yeah and that's what a lot of this is

4085
02:44:55,349 --> 02:44:52,880
and these stupid people glop onto it not

4086
02:44:56,870 --> 02:44:55,359
knowing that it's mikey horn busting

4087
02:44:59,110 --> 02:44:56,880
your balls

4088
02:45:00,870 --> 02:44:59,120
they do and on some of them it's not all

4089
02:45:02,710 --> 02:45:00,880
of them but on some of them what happens

4090
02:45:04,309 --> 02:45:02,720
is after you

4091
02:45:05,510 --> 02:45:04,319
submit to their kind of thinking then

4092
02:45:08,070 --> 02:45:05,520
they're like well let's show you some

4093
02:45:10,230 --> 02:45:08,080
real ufo data look at meyer you know

4094
02:45:12,309 --> 02:45:10,240
so um

4095
02:45:14,710 --> 02:45:12,319
it and i know who some of the people are

4096
02:45:17,110 --> 02:45:14,720
but you know like that person recently

4097
02:45:19,110 --> 02:45:17,120
he contacted the former uh owner of the

4098
02:45:21,429 --> 02:45:19,120
newspaper or at the current owner of the

4099
02:45:22,790 --> 02:45:21,439
newspaper founder of daily world so what

4100
02:45:25,190 --> 02:45:22,800
he just laughs

4101
02:45:27,110 --> 02:45:25,200
um because they know me he was my boss

4102
02:45:28,870 --> 02:45:27,120
for years in india so

4103
02:45:30,230 --> 02:45:28,880
um they used to tell me all the time

4104
02:45:31,990 --> 02:45:30,240
they used to tease me about the website

4105
02:45:33,670 --> 02:45:32,000
and say well we go by what we see now by

4106
02:45:35,269 --> 02:45:33,680
what we read we're in the journalism

4107
02:45:36,389 --> 02:45:35,279
business we know better

4108
02:45:38,469 --> 02:45:36,399
and

4109
02:45:39,830 --> 02:45:38,479
i think the greatest evidence that

4110
02:45:42,309 --> 02:45:39,840
they're really

4111
02:45:44,389 --> 02:45:42,319
extremists and not mentally sound has

4112
02:45:45,990 --> 02:45:44,399
nothing to do with me it has to do with

4113
02:45:47,830 --> 02:45:46,000
the way they are the way they think and

4114
02:45:48,950 --> 02:45:47,840
approach things i'm just one of their

4115
02:45:50,230 --> 02:45:48,960
targets

4116
02:45:53,510 --> 02:45:50,240
um

4117
02:45:55,590 --> 02:45:53,520
you know i'm not important enough i said

4118
02:45:57,990 --> 02:45:55,600
this years ago for anybody to obsess

4119
02:45:59,750 --> 02:45:58,000
over me for decades especially when i

4120
02:46:01,670 --> 02:45:59,760
left the field for many years and wrote

4121
02:46:04,389 --> 02:46:01,680
about everything but ufos and was very

4122
02:46:06,389 --> 02:46:04,399
happy to you know leave it behind so i

4123
02:46:08,230 --> 02:46:06,399
couldn't produce all this body work and

4124
02:46:10,950 --> 02:46:08,240
terrorism and all that stuff

4125
02:46:12,630 --> 02:46:10,960
it's a very complex subject if i didn't

4126
02:46:15,990 --> 02:46:12,640
do this other stuff i mean it's all

4127
02:46:17,670 --> 02:46:16,000
connected you know and so um

4128
02:46:19,349 --> 02:46:17,680
i'm just gonna let it come out and and i

4129
02:46:20,950 --> 02:46:19,359
said okay now i can call your bluff

4130
02:46:23,030 --> 02:46:20,960
because i'm announcing that i'm gonna

4131
02:46:25,190 --> 02:46:23,040
wind my thesis down and i'm predicted

4132
02:46:26,870 --> 02:46:25,200
ahead of time what you're gonna do and

4133
02:46:27,910 --> 02:46:26,880
not do it's all come true i'll get my

4134
02:46:30,230 --> 02:46:27,920
phd

4135
02:46:33,190 --> 02:46:30,240
and um hopefully go back to europe and

4136
02:46:34,710 --> 02:46:33,200
finish it because of covid and um then

4137
02:46:37,110 --> 02:46:34,720
what are they gonna do when i've got my

4138
02:46:39,030 --> 02:46:37,120
phd on my wall and all these [\h__\h]

4139
02:46:41,910 --> 02:46:39,040
are proof that

4140
02:46:43,910 --> 02:46:41,920
i'm you know it's true it's better than

4141
02:46:45,269 --> 02:46:43,920
having heads on their wall i guess but

4142
02:46:47,830 --> 02:46:45,279
it's the same thing

4143
02:46:49,269 --> 02:46:47,840
and uh not to uh not to get off topic

4144
02:46:51,910 --> 02:46:49,279
what did you think of this linda molten

4145
02:46:54,469 --> 02:46:51,920
al bomb and how she handed it back well

4146
02:46:56,630 --> 02:46:54,479
i wanted to tell you real quickly um

4147
02:46:58,550 --> 02:46:56,640
that um

4148
02:46:59,910 --> 02:46:58,560
i sent her a cease and desist a few

4149
02:47:01,750 --> 02:46:59,920
months ago

4150
02:47:03,429 --> 02:47:01,760
and i'm not bluffing and that's another

4151
02:47:05,349 --> 02:47:03,439
thing they say oh he just talks no no

4152
02:47:07,429 --> 02:47:05,359
i'm serious i want her tonight i think

4153
02:47:09,830 --> 02:47:07,439
you sent me a copy yeah i remember that

4154
02:47:12,469 --> 02:47:09,840
yeah this is she was she was saying some

4155
02:47:14,469 --> 02:47:12,479
unkind and unfair things about you right

4156
02:47:16,550 --> 02:47:14,479
that i have no credibility at all and

4157
02:47:18,790 --> 02:47:16,560
that is outright defamation

4158
02:47:21,030 --> 02:47:18,800
you're not using video game covers as

4159
02:47:21,990 --> 02:47:21,040
genuine grey alien photos taken on the

4160
02:47:24,230 --> 02:47:22,000
moon

4161
02:47:26,630 --> 02:47:24,240
so that's an easy it's funny even in the

4162
02:47:28,550 --> 02:47:26,640
given power horn where the bar is really

4163
02:47:30,469 --> 02:47:28,560
high so um

4164
02:47:32,309 --> 02:47:30,479
the uh i sent her a cease and desist and

4165
02:47:33,670 --> 02:47:32,319
i'm releasing the book i published in

4166
02:47:35,510 --> 02:47:33,680
india on her

4167
02:47:37,670 --> 02:47:35,520
where i exposed her because i got a hold

4168
02:47:39,750 --> 02:47:37,680
of the forensic reports from the fbi

4169
02:47:41,910 --> 02:47:39,760
from the new york uh new mexico district

4170
02:47:45,030 --> 02:47:41,920
attorneys they were the first and only

4171
02:47:56,469 --> 02:47:45,040
people to do real forensic work on dead

4172
02:48:01,269 --> 02:47:59,030
example of a very popular article where

4173
02:48:03,429 --> 02:48:01,279
this [\h__\h] journalist

4174
02:48:04,630 --> 02:48:03,439
repeats the same phrases evidence of

4175
02:48:07,190 --> 02:48:04,640
surgery

4176
02:48:09,190 --> 02:48:07,200
you know no known way this could have

4177
02:48:11,269 --> 02:48:09,200
been removed you know he's just quoting

4178
02:48:13,349 --> 02:48:11,279
what she's saying but let me tell you a

4179
02:48:15,190 --> 02:48:13,359
quick linda molten house story and this

4180
02:48:16,389 --> 02:48:15,200
is a matter of record and you can ask

4181
02:48:18,309 --> 02:48:16,399
her about this because i think she's

4182
02:48:20,070 --> 02:48:18,319
going to be pissed off

4183
02:48:21,429 --> 02:48:20,080
uh when this

4184
02:48:23,510 --> 02:48:21,439
i know

4185
02:48:24,950 --> 02:48:23,520
real quickly this is from the roswell

4186
02:48:25,990 --> 02:48:24,960
book here so it's a matter of public

4187
02:48:26,950 --> 02:48:26,000
record

4188
02:48:29,110 --> 02:48:26,960
and

4189
02:48:31,510 --> 02:48:29,120
this book was the first one to expose

4190
02:48:35,030 --> 02:48:31,520
arts parts okay

4191
02:48:36,309 --> 02:48:35,040
so linda moulton howe um was promoting a

4192
02:48:38,630 --> 02:48:36,319
fraud

4193
02:48:42,790 --> 02:48:38,640
um you know with arts parts so let me

4194
02:48:47,110 --> 02:48:44,469
uh it's been years since i've opened my

4195
02:48:48,950 --> 02:48:47,120
own book uh how

4196
02:48:50,950 --> 02:48:48,960
yeah we detailed some of this tonight

4197
02:48:53,030 --> 02:48:50,960
that the the first scientist told her

4198
02:48:55,510 --> 02:48:53,040
that this was ordinary material she

4199
02:48:58,469 --> 02:48:55,520
looked like that guy so she just buried

4200
02:49:01,110 --> 02:48:58,479
that report and got new reports okay

4201
02:49:03,110 --> 02:49:01,120
here it is um and of course because it's

4202
02:49:05,190 --> 02:49:03,120
a paperback it's in really small print

4203
02:49:08,710 --> 02:49:05,200
so i will read this here all right so

4204
02:49:11,590 --> 02:49:08,720
this is at 1995. i'm the special mystery

4205
02:49:13,830 --> 02:49:11,600
guest of honor courtesy walt andrus

4206
02:49:15,590 --> 02:49:13,840
uh where i show the secret undercover

4207
02:49:17,830 --> 02:49:15,600
footage at the meijer cult for the first

4208
02:49:19,590 --> 02:49:17,840
time okay no and the moving tree you see

4209
02:49:22,309 --> 02:49:19,600
it isn't there all that stuff

4210
02:49:24,790 --> 02:49:22,319
uh okay so linda moulton howe comes up

4211
02:49:27,830 --> 02:49:24,800
to me and this is what she did

4212
02:49:30,550 --> 02:49:27,840
at the 1995 mufon annual symposium in

4213
02:49:32,790 --> 02:49:30,560
seattle how was how approached me and

4214
02:49:34,710 --> 02:49:32,800
had the temerity to chastise me for my

4215
02:49:36,550 --> 02:49:34,720
research exposing the meyer case as a

4216
02:49:38,550 --> 02:49:36,560
hoax how accused me of being

4217
02:49:40,630 --> 02:49:38,560
closed-minded quote-unquote and

4218
02:49:41,750 --> 02:49:40,640
admonished me not to dismiss the case

4219
02:49:43,750 --> 02:49:41,760
entirely

4220
02:49:46,230 --> 02:49:43,760
this was the first time i had ever met

4221
02:49:47,990 --> 02:49:46,240
how in person surprise

4222
02:49:49,830 --> 02:49:48,000
i asked how if she had ever been to

4223
02:49:51,990 --> 02:49:49,840
switzerland or had ever bothered

4224
02:49:54,950 --> 02:49:52,000
conducting any first-hand investigation

4225
02:49:57,110 --> 02:49:54,960
of her own into the meyer case as i had

4226
02:49:59,510 --> 02:49:57,120
howe admitted that she had not

4227
02:50:01,510 --> 02:49:59,520
i then asked how if she had read my book

4228
02:50:04,070 --> 02:50:01,520
spaceships of the pleiades and she

4229
02:50:06,150 --> 02:50:04,080
replied that she had not i then asked

4230
02:50:08,070 --> 02:50:06,160
her how she could comment on my research

4231
02:50:10,790 --> 02:50:08,080
when she had not bothered reading it

4232
02:50:12,630 --> 02:50:10,800
howe of course had no answer i then

4233
02:50:14,710 --> 02:50:12,640
assured her that while i have never

4234
02:50:16,550 --> 02:50:14,720
claimed to have disproven all aspects of

4235
02:50:18,950 --> 02:50:16,560
the meyer case this is impossible for

4236
02:50:21,269 --> 02:50:18,960
anyone to do i simply maintain that the

4237
02:50:23,110 --> 02:50:21,279
so-called evidence offered up by meyer

4238
02:50:25,830 --> 02:50:23,120
and his proponents is either grossly

4239
02:50:27,990 --> 02:50:25,840
misrepresented or fraudulent how did not

4240
02:50:30,790 --> 02:50:28,000
know quite how to respond

4241
02:50:33,349 --> 02:50:30,800
so she advised me to keep an open mind

4242
02:50:36,710 --> 02:50:33,359
while i always do i found the hypocrisy

4243
02:50:38,710 --> 02:50:36,720
of her advice extremely ironic

4244
02:50:40,710 --> 02:50:38,720
so there you go

4245
02:50:43,269 --> 02:50:40,720
for the record that's an interesting

4246
02:50:45,670 --> 02:50:43,279
encounter if she believes the meyer case

4247
02:50:47,590 --> 02:50:45,680
that's another hokies

4248
02:50:49,590 --> 02:50:47,600
i was shocked because people were

4249
02:50:51,510 --> 02:50:49,600
warning me about her when i moved up to

4250
02:50:53,590 --> 02:50:51,520
the puget sound area worked at boeing in

4251
02:50:54,790 --> 02:50:53,600
this new age la la land up there i did

4252
02:50:57,670 --> 02:50:54,800
book tours

4253
02:51:00,230 --> 02:50:57,680
and uh that's when i heard about her

4254
02:51:01,750 --> 02:51:00,240
a lot of women had problems with her

4255
02:51:04,870 --> 02:51:01,760
feminine thing let's call it that the

4256
02:51:07,030 --> 02:51:04,880
chick thing and um all the guys young

4257
02:51:08,710 --> 02:51:07,040
kids were going gaga this was back in

4258
02:51:10,469 --> 02:51:08,720
the days where the ufo field was so

4259
02:51:12,230 --> 02:51:10,479
geeky stephen you may remember this in

4260
02:51:14,630 --> 02:51:12,240
the early computer user club meetings

4261
02:51:17,110 --> 02:51:14,640
that any woman who would show up

4262
02:51:18,389 --> 02:51:17,120
would just lose it you know yeah a woman

4263
02:51:20,389 --> 02:51:18,399
a woman you know

4264
02:51:22,389 --> 02:51:20,399
yeah ways to when i was in i was in

4265
02:51:25,110 --> 02:51:22,399
something called the d users it was a

4266
02:51:26,870 --> 02:51:25,120
drexel university computer club and it

4267
02:51:28,790 --> 02:51:26,880
was before i was in college

4268
02:51:30,790 --> 02:51:28,800
and a girl would show up and everybody

4269
02:51:32,230 --> 02:51:30,800
would go crazy we called them modem

4270
02:51:33,590 --> 02:51:32,240
heifers though they were usually

4271
02:51:34,389 --> 02:51:33,600
motivated

4272
02:51:37,429 --> 02:51:34,399
you know

4273
02:51:38,870 --> 02:51:37,439
yeah yeah it's like it's like ufo hot

4274
02:51:41,110 --> 02:51:38,880
and real hot is two different things

4275
02:51:43,910 --> 02:51:41,120
it's like any girl at a d

4276
02:51:46,389 --> 02:51:43,920
you know conference or convention is is

4277
02:51:49,349 --> 02:51:46,399
is a 10 right

4278
02:51:51,990 --> 02:51:49,359
definitely real world real world three

4279
02:51:54,309 --> 02:51:52,000
ufo convention 10.

4280
02:51:55,190 --> 02:51:54,319
yeah it was funny but yeah so that was

4281
02:51:59,429 --> 02:51:55,200
my

4282
02:52:01,190 --> 02:51:59,439
first kind with

4283
02:52:03,670 --> 02:52:01,200
you know linda third kind i guess it was

4284
02:52:04,469 --> 02:52:03,680
close but she was obviously oh i wish i

4285
02:52:05,750 --> 02:52:04,479
could

4286
02:52:06,790 --> 02:52:05,760
you know so

4287
02:52:08,150 --> 02:52:06,800
um

4288
02:52:10,150 --> 02:52:08,160
how do you what do you think of the way

4289
02:52:13,190 --> 02:52:10,160
she handled being asked that question on

4290
02:52:15,510 --> 02:52:13,200
that live stream i think it is typical

4291
02:52:16,550 --> 02:52:15,520
of her meaning i've seen her um

4292
02:52:18,309 --> 02:52:16,560
just

4293
02:52:19,269 --> 02:52:18,319
do everything but answer the question

4294
02:52:21,110 --> 02:52:19,279
but

4295
02:52:22,469 --> 02:52:21,120
i think she

4296
02:52:24,469 --> 02:52:22,479
is living

4297
02:52:26,710 --> 02:52:24,479
with a a

4298
02:52:29,510 --> 02:52:26,720
a view of her

4299
02:52:32,469 --> 02:52:29,520
okay i'm gonna use this analogy that was

4300
02:52:33,910 --> 02:52:32,479
explained to me in europe okay and let's

4301
02:52:36,790 --> 02:52:33,920
see how this goes

4302
02:52:40,630 --> 02:52:38,870
when i saw that clip stephen it reminded

4303
02:52:43,510 --> 02:52:40,640
me of what i was told about the country

4304
02:52:47,110 --> 02:52:43,520
of france okay

4305
02:52:51,990 --> 02:52:49,510
almost most europeans i know said the

4306
02:52:53,670 --> 02:52:52,000
biggest problem with france today

4307
02:52:56,070 --> 02:52:53,680
is that

4308
02:52:57,269 --> 02:52:56,080
france looks at herself

4309
02:52:59,190 --> 02:52:57,279
and sees

4310
02:53:00,710 --> 02:52:59,200
a beautiful woman

4311
02:53:02,790 --> 02:53:00,720
in the mirror

4312
02:53:04,230 --> 02:53:02,800
when she doesn't realize that she's an

4313
02:53:05,510 --> 02:53:04,240
old prostitute

4314
02:53:08,630 --> 02:53:05,520
okay

4315
02:53:14,870 --> 02:53:08,640
so oh that's a little rough no

4316
02:53:20,070 --> 02:53:16,950
expressed by our panel members do not

4317
02:53:22,790 --> 02:53:20,080
necessarily reflect the views of your

4318
02:53:24,150 --> 02:53:22,800
twitters and because

4319
02:53:28,550 --> 02:53:24,160
of

4320
02:53:30,950 --> 02:53:28,560
and i'm not saying she is one not at all

4321
02:53:32,870 --> 02:53:30,960
it is just that she's i i think your

4322
02:53:35,269 --> 02:53:32,880
point is well is well taken by an

4323
02:53:36,950 --> 02:53:35,279
analogy so she's a little delusional

4324
02:53:39,110 --> 02:53:36,960
she's a little delusional about her

4325
02:53:41,030 --> 02:53:39,120
importance and about her level of

4326
02:53:43,429 --> 02:53:41,040
credibility and about how she's

4327
02:53:45,269 --> 02:53:43,439
perceived she has no idea that she's

4328
02:53:47,510 --> 02:53:45,279
perceived as very gullible she took

4329
02:53:49,670 --> 02:53:47,520
total offense to that and yeah and i can

4330
02:53:51,349 --> 02:53:49,680
show you 10 webpages to call her the

4331
02:53:53,510 --> 02:53:51,359
most gullible person

4332
02:53:55,990 --> 02:53:53,520
in this field you know i think most

4333
02:53:57,510 --> 02:53:56,000
people listening to her most people i

4334
02:53:59,349 --> 02:53:57,520
know on the street

4335
02:54:02,070 --> 02:53:59,359
would look at her for

4336
02:54:04,469 --> 02:54:02,080
five ten minutes and say this is just i

4337
02:54:06,870 --> 02:54:04,479
don't most people wouldn't accept it so

4338
02:54:09,110 --> 02:54:06,880
that's why i say it she has an image of

4339
02:54:11,110 --> 02:54:09,120
herself which is not grounded in reality

4340
02:54:13,269 --> 02:54:11,120
she always has as long as i've known her

4341
02:54:14,790 --> 02:54:13,279
she's up there in years now what 80

4342
02:54:16,230 --> 02:54:14,800
years old or something

4343
02:54:17,910 --> 02:54:16,240
and um

4344
02:54:20,389 --> 02:54:17,920
things don't improve over time in that

4345
02:54:22,710 --> 02:54:20,399
area with all of us it's not a criticism

4346
02:54:23,590 --> 02:54:22,720
it's an observation of life and physics

4347
02:54:25,429 --> 02:54:23,600
and

4348
02:54:28,389 --> 02:54:25,439
it's an analogy for when someone is

4349
02:54:30,150 --> 02:54:28,399
seeing something that isn't really true

4350
02:54:32,150 --> 02:54:30,160
whatever that is you can fill in any

4351
02:54:33,830 --> 02:54:32,160
words or adjectives you want

4352
02:54:36,070 --> 02:54:33,840
self-delusion right

4353
02:54:38,710 --> 02:54:36,080
yeah it made me think my mind flashed

4354
02:54:41,590 --> 02:54:38,720
back to that what i was told in europe

4355
02:54:45,190 --> 02:54:43,670
yeah because at that time and it had to

4356
02:54:47,190 --> 02:54:45,200
do with conversation because if you

4357
02:54:49,510 --> 02:54:47,200
remember in the early days of terrorism

4358
02:54:51,510 --> 02:54:49,520
fighting it uh with george bush junior

4359
02:54:53,510 --> 02:54:51,520
and there france vetoed everything

4360
02:54:55,510 --> 02:54:53,520
remember that's because jacques chirac

4361
02:54:57,510 --> 02:54:55,520
the president was being bribed by saddam

4362
02:54:59,349 --> 02:54:57,520
hussein he got millions of barrels of

4363
02:55:01,269 --> 02:54:59,359
oil for 50

4364
02:55:02,870 --> 02:55:01,279
period and then he could sell it on the

4365
02:55:05,110 --> 02:55:02,880
black market for whatever he wanted he

4366
02:55:07,510 --> 02:55:05,120
made millions of dollars so of course he

4367
02:55:09,269 --> 02:55:07,520
vetoed everything bush did even though

4368
02:55:11,349 --> 02:55:09,279
he didn't like saddam but he liked his

4369
02:55:12,870 --> 02:55:11,359
money so that's what that conversation

4370
02:55:14,550 --> 02:55:12,880
had come from and it was like what is

4371
02:55:16,389 --> 02:55:14,560
wrong with the french

4372
02:55:18,790 --> 02:55:16,399
and then these other analysts in the

4373
02:55:20,950 --> 02:55:18,800
room told me well these are how we

4374
02:55:22,469 --> 02:55:20,960
describe them and i was like wow it's

4375
02:55:24,710 --> 02:55:22,479
always neat to be in europe to hear how

4376
02:55:26,550 --> 02:55:24,720
the europeans talk about each other

4377
02:55:27,750 --> 02:55:26,560
because you know it's they're the real

4378
02:55:29,590 --> 02:55:27,760
thing over there

4379
02:55:31,750 --> 02:55:29,600
when you hear it through america it's

4380
02:55:33,269 --> 02:55:31,760
not the same you know right

4381
02:55:35,910 --> 02:55:33,279
i find that too

4382
02:55:39,110 --> 02:55:35,920
yeah well anyway it was i was surprised

4383
02:55:40,309 --> 02:55:39,120
though like how badly she handled that

4384
02:55:42,469 --> 02:55:40,319
interview because

4385
02:55:44,070 --> 02:55:42,479
you know i i expected her to react badly

4386
02:55:45,990 --> 02:55:44,080
but i didn't expect her like storm off

4387
02:55:48,950 --> 02:55:46,000
and get that pissed off and

4388
02:55:51,670 --> 02:55:48,960
oh and another side note she told kirk

4389
02:55:54,550 --> 02:55:51,680
that that was hostile in her emails to

4390
02:55:58,469 --> 02:55:54,560
me she also used the term hostile like

4391
02:56:00,469 --> 02:55:58,479
why are you being so hostile with me

4392
02:56:01,830 --> 02:56:00,479
if i say steven why are you attacking me

4393
02:56:05,670 --> 02:56:01,840
even though you're not

4394
02:56:07,750 --> 02:56:05,680
it forces you to stop and defend why you

4395
02:56:09,910 --> 02:56:07,760
are not attacking me or you

4396
02:56:11,670 --> 02:56:09,920
you are i always i always say

4397
02:56:13,990 --> 02:56:11,680
the only people who fear questions are

4398
02:56:16,070 --> 02:56:14,000
people who have something to hide she

4399
02:56:17,830 --> 02:56:16,080
knew about that story she lied and said

4400
02:56:19,510 --> 02:56:17,840
she didn't remember she had no idea what

4401
02:56:21,110 --> 02:56:19,520
he was talking about

4402
02:56:23,510 --> 02:56:21,120
and now she looks even more foolish

4403
02:56:26,550 --> 02:56:23,520
because we could see the uh

4404
02:56:28,389 --> 02:56:26,560
uh you know we could see that the result

4405
02:56:30,389 --> 02:56:28,399
of what happens when she gets asked one

4406
02:56:32,309 --> 02:56:30,399
hard question you know

4407
02:56:35,030 --> 02:56:32,319
yeah steven to be honest and you know i

4408
02:56:36,070 --> 02:56:35,040
catch your show when i can um it uh i

4409
02:56:37,510 --> 02:56:36,080
get it

4410
02:56:39,110 --> 02:56:37,520
i i want to see your own show you don't

4411
02:56:40,710 --> 02:56:39,120
have time for everybody else's i get it

4412
02:56:43,750 --> 02:56:40,720
i'm i try no i don't

4413
02:56:46,150 --> 02:56:43,760
do a great job and honestly

4414
02:56:47,910 --> 02:56:46,160
if if i were trying to do what you do i

4415
02:56:51,349 --> 02:56:47,920
would be burnt out by now because i

4416
02:56:53,349 --> 02:56:51,359
couldn't go i i just i mean i am

4417
02:56:55,349 --> 02:56:53,359
i just really admire your work and the

4418
02:56:57,670 --> 02:56:55,359
fact that you stick with it and you look

4419
02:57:00,150 --> 02:56:57,680
at this and say oh maybe i can do this

4420
02:57:02,309 --> 02:57:00,160
and all that i'm going to be launching

4421
02:57:03,110 --> 02:57:02,319
memojis on friday that's how i'm getting

4422
02:57:04,150 --> 02:57:03,120
them

4423
02:57:05,910 --> 02:57:04,160
because i

4424
02:57:07,429 --> 02:57:05,920
don't have the skill you do to do the

4425
02:57:10,150 --> 02:57:07,439
mask and all that stuff and i don't want

4426
02:57:11,670 --> 02:57:10,160
to go do all that so what i've done

4427
02:57:13,830 --> 02:57:11,680
emojis so you're going to see me hit a

4428
02:57:15,750 --> 02:57:13,840
button that's going to go get whatever

4429
02:57:17,110 --> 02:57:15,760
and invoke a process i'll just put it

4430
02:57:19,830 --> 02:57:17,120
that way yeah it does get a little

4431
02:57:22,230 --> 02:57:19,840
tiring i just decided recently like

4432
02:57:24,150 --> 02:57:22,240
first of all i save myself lots of time

4433
02:57:26,230 --> 02:57:24,160
because i don't answer nameless faceless

4434
02:57:27,830 --> 02:57:26,240
accounts anymore if you're like not

4435
02:57:30,070 --> 02:57:27,840
gonna if you're not gonna do me the same

4436
02:57:31,830 --> 02:57:30,080
cert you know courtesy that i do you

4437
02:57:33,190 --> 02:57:31,840
which is here's my face here's my name

4438
02:57:35,349 --> 02:57:33,200
here's my work

4439
02:57:36,870 --> 02:57:35,359
then i i i'm not gonna talk to you

4440
02:57:39,269 --> 02:57:36,880
because i could be talking to literally

4441
02:57:41,110 --> 02:57:39,279
anyone so that saved a lot of time and

4442
02:57:43,030 --> 02:57:41,120
the number two thing is i hate to do

4443
02:57:45,110 --> 02:57:43,040
this but some people are just nasty to

4444
02:57:46,790 --> 02:57:45,120
me and their whole point is to try to

4445
02:57:48,309 --> 02:57:46,800
turn people against me

4446
02:57:51,110 --> 02:57:48,319
because they don't like that i busted

4447
02:57:53,429 --> 02:57:51,120
their hero or whatever i'm gonna start

4448
02:57:55,510 --> 02:57:53,439
blocking [\h__\h] and not responding you

4449
02:57:57,510 --> 02:57:55,520
know like i don't have time i don't you

4450
02:57:59,429 --> 02:57:57,520
know if you come to me respectfully and

4451
02:58:01,830 --> 02:57:59,439
ask a question or you want some

4452
02:58:03,910 --> 02:58:01,840
interaction i interact with everybody

4453
02:58:05,030 --> 02:58:03,920
but if all you do on twitter is bust my

4454
02:58:07,190 --> 02:58:05,040
balls

4455
02:58:09,269 --> 02:58:07,200
uh every chance you get and try to make

4456
02:58:11,990 --> 02:58:09,279
me look bad because you don't like

4457
02:58:13,830 --> 02:58:12,000
something some story i ran

4458
02:58:15,910 --> 02:58:13,840
i'm not gonna i'm not gonna interact

4459
02:58:17,910 --> 02:58:15,920
with those people anymore it does get

4460
02:58:19,670 --> 02:58:17,920
tiring you know and i get these nasty

4461
02:58:21,590 --> 02:58:19,680
emails somebody threatened me a few

4462
02:58:23,190 --> 02:58:21,600
times you know

4463
02:58:25,110 --> 02:58:23,200
yeah it gets really

4464
02:58:27,910 --> 02:58:25,120
it's really venomous

4465
02:58:30,550 --> 02:58:27,920
you're right to insist on on same on the

4466
02:58:32,150 --> 02:58:30,560
same rules for everybody on my form

4467
02:58:33,670 --> 02:58:32,160
you know like that cyber stock or

4468
02:58:35,830 --> 02:58:33,680
whatever that popped up recently on

4469
02:58:38,230 --> 02:58:35,840
twitter is like well you never answer

4470
02:58:40,469 --> 02:58:38,240
any of the cows and idiot things well

4471
02:58:42,630 --> 02:58:40,479
that's because i don't know i need a

4472
02:58:44,950 --> 02:58:42,640
name and a face maybe not a face but a

4473
02:58:46,630 --> 02:58:44,960
name and because anonymous people don't

4474
02:58:48,870 --> 02:58:46,640
exist literally

4475
02:58:50,309 --> 02:58:48,880
um i can't address an anon i can't

4476
02:58:51,910 --> 02:58:50,319
address something that doesn't exist

4477
02:58:54,550 --> 02:58:51,920
just like i can't answer a question from

4478
02:58:56,950 --> 02:58:54,560
a unicorn it's not

4479
02:58:58,469 --> 02:58:56,960
literally my thinking so when you are

4480
02:59:00,469 --> 02:58:58,479
anonymous

4481
02:59:03,110 --> 02:59:00,479
and it really is whomever then yeah

4482
02:59:05,190 --> 02:59:03,120
let's talk and and if you're so

4483
02:59:06,950 --> 02:59:05,200
so have such the hard evidence of

4484
02:59:09,190 --> 02:59:06,960
smoking gun then come on my own show and

4485
02:59:10,630 --> 02:59:09,200
kick my ass on my own show and

4486
02:59:12,230 --> 02:59:10,640
you know whatever but it ain't gonna

4487
02:59:13,910 --> 02:59:12,240
happen and if it does happen then i

4488
02:59:15,429 --> 02:59:13,920
obviously earned it well i'm glad you

4489
02:59:17,670 --> 02:59:15,439
did that because then i can deflect i

4490
02:59:19,349 --> 02:59:17,680
could say look don't bust my i said it

4491
02:59:21,269 --> 02:59:19,359
on twitter already i'm like look don't

4492
02:59:22,950 --> 02:59:21,279
bust my balls about kalkorf go on his

4493
02:59:25,269 --> 02:59:22,960
show and bust his ball and bust his

4494
02:59:27,750 --> 02:59:25,279
balls don't you don't yeah

4495
02:59:29,990 --> 02:59:27,760
you know it gets me crazy because i've

4496
02:59:31,990 --> 02:59:30,000
interviewed and had thousands of guests

4497
02:59:33,750 --> 02:59:32,000
at this point maybe right right you

4498
02:59:35,110 --> 02:59:33,760
don't like one you're just going to rip

4499
02:59:37,429 --> 02:59:35,120
me through the ringer because you don't

4500
02:59:39,429 --> 02:59:37,439
like one guest out of thousands that's

4501
02:59:40,710 --> 02:59:39,439
why what if somebody did that to like

4502
02:59:42,870 --> 02:59:40,720
what if somebody did that to johnny

4503
02:59:44,389 --> 02:59:42,880
carson just started just started you

4504
02:59:45,590 --> 02:59:44,399
know calling him up yelling and

4505
02:59:47,830 --> 02:59:45,600
screaming at him because they didn't

4506
02:59:50,309 --> 02:59:47,840
like one guest he had you know it's

4507
02:59:54,309 --> 02:59:50,319
interesting and i had two jump on me for

4508
03:00:03,510 --> 02:59:54,319
for liking two of cows uh

4509
03:00:07,110 --> 03:00:05,349
yeah why don't you talk to him about it

4510
03:00:09,990 --> 03:00:07,120
oh he won't talk to us

4511
03:00:12,630 --> 03:00:10,000
[\h__\h] go on his show he's on youtube

4512
03:00:14,309 --> 03:00:12,640
he answers every question on youtube

4513
03:00:15,910 --> 03:00:14,319
it's not like there's a you know and

4514
03:00:18,630 --> 03:00:15,920
this is no disrespect it's like there's

4515
03:00:20,469 --> 03:00:18,640
15 000 people there you can't find it

4516
03:00:22,389 --> 03:00:20,479
you know what i mean you answer every

4517
03:00:24,630 --> 03:00:22,399
single question

4518
03:00:26,389 --> 03:00:24,640
half for since the last three times i've

4519
03:00:28,469 --> 03:00:26,399
been there i've not seen one person in

4520
03:00:31,429 --> 03:00:28,479
there that talk [\h__\h] on twitter

4521
03:00:33,990 --> 03:00:31,439
in watching your show which is

4522
03:00:36,830 --> 03:00:34,000
no surprise that uh you know i apologize

4523
03:00:38,870 --> 03:00:36,840
but i just find that

4524
03:00:41,030 --> 03:00:38,880
interesting you said that they hide

4525
03:00:43,190 --> 03:00:41,040
behind the face and then they they can't

4526
03:00:45,030 --> 03:00:43,200
even hide behind the face and and talk

4527
03:00:47,349 --> 03:00:45,040
on the phone at the same time they want

4528
03:00:49,030 --> 03:00:47,359
to do that yeah because you know it's

4529
03:00:51,670 --> 03:00:49,040
also too i mean

4530
03:00:53,910 --> 03:00:51,680
we ran a program that analyzed the

4531
03:00:55,429 --> 03:00:53,920
postings and it showed that there were

4532
03:00:57,110 --> 03:00:55,439
that a lot of the same people were

4533
03:00:58,389 --> 03:00:57,120
writing them you know people don't think

4534
03:01:00,230 --> 03:00:58,399
about that when they're trying to

4535
03:01:03,110 --> 03:01:00,240
pretend to be other people

4536
03:01:05,030 --> 03:01:03,120
a trained expert or spywood you know but

4537
03:01:06,630 --> 03:01:05,040
anyway so when all this comes out in my

4538
03:01:09,429 --> 03:01:06,640
autobiography that's where i get them

4539
03:01:12,230 --> 03:01:09,439
which is really uh the consumer version

4540
03:01:14,389 --> 03:01:12,240
of my phd thesis um but uh in the

4541
03:01:16,309 --> 03:01:14,399
meantime the ufology ufoology books are

4542
03:01:18,710 --> 03:01:16,319
subsets of that because i started this

4543
03:01:20,710 --> 03:01:18,720
when royce meyers iii attacked me when

4544
03:01:22,230 --> 03:01:20,720
my brother was shot and that's the big

4545
03:01:23,590 --> 03:01:22,240
shocker in this had nothing to do with

4546
03:01:25,830 --> 03:01:23,600
ufos

4547
03:01:28,950 --> 03:01:25,840
and there's evidence that was turned

4548
03:01:31,030 --> 03:01:28,960
over by the police that showed uh the

4549
03:01:33,110 --> 03:01:31,040
officer lied that royce just couldn't

4550
03:01:35,910 --> 03:01:33,120
really handle he's one of the police

4551
03:01:38,469 --> 03:01:35,920
guys these are my views but anyway i

4552
03:01:40,070 --> 03:01:38,479
gave permission for the forensics labs

4553
03:01:42,630 --> 03:01:40,080
to use my brother's shooting as an

4554
03:01:44,070 --> 03:01:42,640
example of how not to handle a crime

4555
03:01:45,510 --> 03:01:44,080
scene and they asked me for that

4556
03:01:46,870 --> 03:01:45,520
permission i gave it to him and royce

4557
03:01:49,110 --> 03:01:46,880
knows nothing about this or he's not

4558
03:01:50,389 --> 03:01:49,120
talking about it so when these police

4559
03:01:51,910 --> 03:01:50,399
photos come out

4560
03:01:53,510 --> 03:01:51,920
that prove the officer lied a bunch of

4561
03:01:56,070 --> 03:01:53,520
other stuff people will now understand

4562
03:01:57,590 --> 03:01:56,080
why i was attacked had nothing to do

4563
03:01:58,790 --> 03:01:57,600
with this other stuff

4564
03:02:00,870 --> 03:01:58,800
and

4565
03:02:02,790 --> 03:02:00,880
i'm glad to finally let this out because

4566
03:02:04,150 --> 03:02:02,800
i have retired from stuff i used to do

4567
03:02:06,550 --> 03:02:04,160
overseas

4568
03:02:08,950 --> 03:02:06,560
and now i can talk i couldn't do it

4569
03:02:10,870 --> 03:02:08,960
earlier you know i just good it's not

4570
03:02:12,870 --> 03:02:10,880
possible yeah it's good but then oh i

4571
03:02:16,070 --> 03:02:12,880
just i want to make sure i want to make

4572
03:02:19,190 --> 03:02:16,080
sure before this stream ends that i i

4573
03:02:20,870 --> 03:02:19,200
correct something everybody is uh there

4574
03:02:22,950 --> 03:02:20,880
was a whole bunch of people and i got a

4575
03:02:25,110 --> 03:02:22,960
bunch of emails and a bunch of comments

4576
03:02:27,269 --> 03:02:25,120
on that clip video that we started

4577
03:02:29,429 --> 03:02:27,279
tonight show with that was taken from

4578
03:02:31,510 --> 03:02:29,439
her actual live interview

4579
03:02:33,429 --> 03:02:31,520
and all these people are giving me all

4580
03:02:35,190 --> 03:02:33,439
these huge compliments and i'd like to

4581
03:02:37,429 --> 03:02:35,200
take those compliments but it was kari

4582
03:02:40,230 --> 03:02:37,439
who did the edit on that clip

4583
03:02:43,429 --> 03:02:40,240
and uh did that was the best clip ever

4584
03:02:46,710 --> 03:02:43,439
that i've ever had here and the most the

4585
03:02:49,269 --> 03:02:46,720
highest number of views for any clip

4586
03:02:51,269 --> 03:02:49,279
we've ever put up as far as clips go

4587
03:02:53,030 --> 03:02:51,279
so congratulations

4588
03:02:54,870 --> 03:02:53,040
carl did an amazing job with that all i

4589
03:02:57,510 --> 03:02:54,880
did was ask a question that broke the

4590
03:02:59,670 --> 03:02:57,520
internet at least broke ufo twitter for

4591
03:03:02,870 --> 03:02:59,680
a while you know

4592
03:03:04,790 --> 03:03:02,880
i thought your music word to rich was

4593
03:03:05,830 --> 03:03:04,800
perfect also

4594
03:03:07,269 --> 03:03:05,840
that was

4595
03:03:09,110 --> 03:03:07,279
perfect

4596
03:03:11,030 --> 03:03:09,120
i know y'all are good he's doing a show

4597
03:03:13,190 --> 03:03:11,040
about this right now too we should get

4598
03:03:14,950 --> 03:03:13,200
off of here i want to listen to what his

4599
03:03:16,150 --> 03:03:14,960
take on this is he's doing a whole show

4600
03:03:17,830 --> 03:03:16,160
on it too

4601
03:03:19,910 --> 03:03:17,840
you're gonna pay me royalties it's my

4602
03:03:22,389 --> 03:03:19,920
story really yeah

4603
03:03:24,790 --> 03:03:22,399
yeah cal i'm glad that you're doing what

4604
03:03:26,870 --> 03:03:24,800
you're doing i know your remote emoji

4605
03:03:28,630 --> 03:03:26,880
analysis comes out that's a little south

4606
03:03:30,230 --> 03:03:28,640
park joke i know that that comes out

4607
03:03:31,590 --> 03:03:30,240
here soon so look looking forward to

4608
03:03:33,110 --> 03:03:31,600
that so

4609
03:03:35,190 --> 03:03:33,120
let's uh

4610
03:03:36,469 --> 03:03:35,200
you know just look past the haters i'm

4611
03:03:38,790 --> 03:03:36,479
sure you've had them for a long long

4612
03:03:40,710 --> 03:03:38,800
time and you continue well so yeah it

4613
03:03:42,630 --> 03:03:40,720
started when i exposed meyer in high

4614
03:03:44,790 --> 03:03:42,640
school all of a sudden i was a bad guy

4615
03:03:48,070 --> 03:03:44,800
and then genesis tried to sue me but

4616
03:03:50,150 --> 03:03:48,080
then they found out i wasn't 18. and so

4617
03:03:52,070 --> 03:03:50,160
um that's when they had that's when the

4618
03:03:54,710 --> 03:03:52,080
spin began oh i'm being groomed by bill

4619
03:03:55,990 --> 03:03:54,720
moore to be a mj12 dis info agent and

4620
03:03:58,630 --> 03:03:56,000
all that stuff yeah

4621
03:03:59,670 --> 03:03:58,640
okay but real quickly steven um we're

4622
03:04:01,830 --> 03:03:59,680
launching

4623
03:04:03,190 --> 03:04:01,840
ufo comp on friday and what i'm going to

4624
03:04:06,150 --> 03:04:03,200
do is then

4625
03:04:07,990 --> 03:04:06,160
um contact isakoi and a bunch of jan

4626
03:04:11,190 --> 03:04:08,000
elders and a bunch of other people like

4627
03:04:12,550 --> 03:04:11,200
you whose uh input and opinions i value

4628
03:04:15,030 --> 03:04:12,560
very much and

4629
03:04:17,990 --> 03:04:15,040
i want to work with you guys to write up

4630
03:04:20,230 --> 03:04:18,000
the functional uh spec requirement and

4631
03:04:22,790 --> 03:04:20,240
then do it and then we will code it and

4632
03:04:24,630 --> 03:04:22,800
give it to you okay because my workflows

4633
03:04:27,590 --> 03:04:24,640
might be different than yours you know

4634
03:04:29,590 --> 03:04:27,600
and so uh we want the public to have it

4635
03:04:30,790 --> 03:04:29,600
on the anniversary of roswell for the

4636
03:04:32,790 --> 03:04:30,800
75th

4637
03:04:34,790 --> 03:04:32,800
so out of the workflows that we do as a

4638
03:04:36,790 --> 03:04:34,800
group will say okay the public wants

4639
03:04:38,790 --> 03:04:36,800
this or this is good for the public and

4640
03:04:39,750 --> 03:04:38,800
then we'll release that it'll be free

4641
03:04:42,550 --> 03:04:39,760
okay

4642
03:04:45,030 --> 03:04:42,560
and because it'll impose standards in

4643
03:04:46,950 --> 03:04:45,040
ufology standard methods and approaches

4644
03:04:48,790 --> 03:04:46,960
like real science does

4645
03:04:51,429 --> 03:04:48,800
it will help separate ufology from your

4646
03:04:54,150 --> 03:04:51,439
euphulogy by its inherent

4647
03:04:56,230 --> 03:04:54,160
dynamics okay just like a credible

4648
03:04:58,870 --> 03:04:56,240
database automatically will help

4649
03:05:00,870 --> 03:04:58,880
separate and filter bogus data if it's

4650
03:05:02,870 --> 03:05:00,880
coded correctly it doesn't matter what

4651
03:05:04,550 --> 03:05:02,880
the data is unless it's pure garbage and

4652
03:05:06,790 --> 03:05:04,560
you don't know that

4653
03:05:08,389 --> 03:05:06,800
so i just wanted to update because i

4654
03:05:10,070 --> 03:05:08,399
thank you at the beginning of the video

4655
03:05:11,030 --> 03:05:10,080
that we're hopefully finishing filming

4656
03:05:12,790 --> 03:05:11,040
tomorrow

4657
03:05:15,349 --> 03:05:12,800
uh because i show how this started a

4658
03:05:17,269 --> 03:05:15,359
year ago on the day january 27th a year

4659
03:05:19,110 --> 03:05:17,279
ago when i showed you yeah

4660
03:05:20,710 --> 03:05:19,120
i'm in sort of the same boat i have this

4661
03:05:22,870 --> 03:05:20,720
you know i have this linux project and

4662
03:05:25,990 --> 03:05:22,880
it's it's like a year over

4663
03:05:28,469 --> 03:05:26,000
mine's a year over the schedule already

4664
03:05:29,750 --> 03:05:28,479
um but you know

4665
03:05:31,349 --> 03:05:29,760
that's what happens when you're when

4666
03:05:33,830 --> 03:05:31,359
you're like trying to be superman and

4667
03:05:35,349 --> 03:05:33,840
take on projects way too big for you and

4668
03:05:37,830 --> 03:05:35,359
try to do everything

4669
03:05:40,230 --> 03:05:37,840
yeah i i gotta i really gotta work on my

4670
03:05:42,710 --> 03:05:40,240
software project it's way behind

4671
03:05:45,830 --> 03:05:42,720
well it uh what i've had to do is

4672
03:05:48,870 --> 03:05:45,840
because um i i was i mean i was behind

4673
03:05:51,190 --> 03:05:48,880
before but what honestly things never

4674
03:05:53,269 --> 03:05:51,200
permanently got off rails when melissa

4675
03:05:55,670 --> 03:05:53,279
was down here because she got marooned

4676
03:05:57,349 --> 03:05:55,680
here an extra week and i had timed

4677
03:05:58,790 --> 03:05:57,359
leaving a job and starting another one

4678
03:06:00,870 --> 03:05:58,800
and all that during the two-week time

4679
03:06:02,150 --> 03:06:00,880
she was here and then what happened is

4680
03:06:04,150 --> 03:06:02,160
because uh

4681
03:06:06,070 --> 03:06:04,160
she had had to get kova test everything

4682
03:06:08,309 --> 03:06:06,080
ahead of time as you may remember they

4683
03:06:09,750 --> 03:06:08,319
ran out of tests and didn't tell us

4684
03:06:11,990 --> 03:06:09,760
and she got stuck here she couldn't get

4685
03:06:13,830 --> 03:06:12,000
on the flight and so she had to buy yeah

4686
03:06:15,269 --> 03:06:13,840
he told me about that yeah but i'm sure

4687
03:06:17,750 --> 03:06:15,279
you were happy for an extra week with

4688
03:06:19,429 --> 03:06:17,760
her oh i was she is she ever moving in

4689
03:06:21,030 --> 03:06:19,439
with you or are you moving in with her

4690
03:06:23,349 --> 03:06:21,040
what are you doing dude

4691
03:06:26,070 --> 03:06:23,359
like no offense look i don't want to be

4692
03:06:28,870 --> 03:06:26,080
an [\h__\h] here cow court but one of

4693
03:06:30,550 --> 03:06:28,880
these things is not like the other right

4694
03:06:32,469 --> 03:06:30,560
i don't know if she's soft in the head

4695
03:06:34,630 --> 03:06:32,479
or a little blind i don't know what's

4696
03:06:36,309 --> 03:06:34,640
going on maybe you're hung like a horse

4697
03:06:38,710 --> 03:06:36,319
or you got a wallet

4698
03:06:41,030 --> 03:06:38,720
you said joke a horse i don't know what

4699
03:06:44,070 --> 03:06:41,040
it is but she's into you you better

4700
03:06:46,150 --> 03:06:44,080
marry that girl tomorrow you dummy like

4701
03:06:49,990 --> 03:06:46,160
as fast as possible before she changes

4702
03:06:52,550 --> 03:06:50,000
her mind right as fast as possible

4703
03:06:55,269 --> 03:06:52,560
this is this is this is what listen put

4704
03:06:57,670 --> 03:06:55,279
it back up just another day in ufology

4705
03:07:00,070 --> 03:06:57,680
where a guy that looks like cow corp can

4706
03:07:02,950 --> 03:07:00,080
get a hot young girlfriend

4707
03:07:05,110 --> 03:07:02,960
i don't know how this happens

4708
03:07:06,710 --> 03:07:05,120
i don't know okay

4709
03:07:09,510 --> 03:07:06,720
but it happened yeah you better hurry up

4710
03:07:12,309 --> 03:07:09,520
and marry her you better hurry

4711
03:07:13,990 --> 03:07:12,319
but um no all kidding aside um and yes

4712
03:07:15,750 --> 03:07:14,000
i'm very lucky to be with her and

4713
03:07:18,150 --> 03:07:15,760
blessed um

4714
03:07:21,190 --> 03:07:18,160
it's working fine she's definitely your

4715
03:07:25,269 --> 03:07:21,200
better half dude

4716
03:07:27,830 --> 03:07:25,279
um so um she of course has a son and uh

4717
03:07:29,830 --> 03:07:27,840
he's visiting tonight and uh he's gonna

4718
03:07:32,389 --> 03:07:29,840
be um

4719
03:07:33,990 --> 03:07:32,399
he's in high school and uh he's uh a

4720
03:07:35,429 --> 03:07:34,000
teenager i think he's around sixteen and

4721
03:07:37,030 --> 03:07:35,439
he's six yeah i've seen it

4722
03:07:39,269 --> 03:07:37,040
i've seen pics he's a big dude he looks

4723
03:07:40,710 --> 03:07:39,279
like a football player yeah yeah so a

4724
03:07:43,349 --> 03:07:40,720
wrestler right

4725
03:07:45,349 --> 03:07:43,359
he's going to um

4726
03:07:47,429 --> 03:07:45,359
you know be in a position where he'll be

4727
03:07:49,590 --> 03:07:47,439
uh entering on his own and then she'll

4728
03:07:51,269 --> 03:07:49,600
be able to move her yeah once i think

4729
03:07:52,469 --> 03:07:51,279
she told me that once he gets to college

4730
03:07:54,469 --> 03:07:52,479
maybe right

4731
03:07:56,630 --> 03:07:54,479
exactly so but she's lived in the same

4732
03:07:58,150 --> 03:07:56,640
area for many years well we're just we

4733
03:07:59,990 --> 03:07:58,160
just passed three hours so we're gonna

4734
03:08:01,510 --> 03:08:00,000
have to bounce on out of here yeah i

4735
03:08:03,670 --> 03:08:01,520
appreciate all the paddle members that

4736
03:08:06,550 --> 03:08:03,680
was last minute so uh thanks for

4737
03:08:08,870 --> 03:08:06,560
dropping in here cal hey no worries

4738
03:08:11,030 --> 03:08:08,880
carrie and and we had lord ludacris

4739
03:08:14,630 --> 03:08:11,040
platt and everybody else

4740
03:08:16,630 --> 03:08:14,640
and tim f and bobby and uh so thanks for

4741
03:08:18,230 --> 03:08:16,640
all the participants we're going to try

4742
03:08:20,309 --> 03:08:18,240
to move on from this but it's

4743
03:08:22,389 --> 03:08:20,319
interesting how much of a big bomb this

4744
03:08:24,950 --> 03:08:22,399
seems to have been because i mean people

4745
03:08:27,110 --> 03:08:24,960
are everybody's talking about this

4746
03:08:29,910 --> 03:08:27,120
they need more even i think it's good at

4747
03:08:32,309 --> 03:08:29,920
least we start a discussion you know and

4748
03:08:33,990 --> 03:08:32,319
and i i really want to reiterate the

4749
03:08:36,070 --> 03:08:34,000
fact that some of these people need to

4750
03:08:38,150 --> 03:08:36,080
learn that there is a growing chorus of

4751
03:08:39,910 --> 03:08:38,160
people that are tired of this fake [\h__\h]

4752
03:08:40,950 --> 03:08:39,920
and it's not going to fly anymore you're

4753
03:08:43,030 --> 03:08:40,960
not going to be able to get away with

4754
03:08:46,550 --> 03:08:43,040
[\h__\h] like this no more that's right on

4755
03:08:48,550 --> 03:08:46,560
the internet yeah that time is over is

4756
03:08:50,469 --> 03:08:48,560
it sure is a change because everyone's

4757
03:08:53,190 --> 03:08:50,479
gearing up for the 75th

4758
03:08:54,790 --> 03:08:53,200
um i got a briefing from a producer on

4759
03:08:57,510 --> 03:08:54,800
who was doing what and the city of

4760
03:08:59,830 --> 03:08:57,520
roswell is holding weekly meetings with

4761
03:09:01,990 --> 03:08:59,840
the roswell daily record to kick out

4762
03:09:04,309 --> 03:09:02,000
things weekly and monthly in the big

4763
03:09:05,830 --> 03:09:04,319
build up because about 22 percent of

4764
03:09:07,590 --> 03:09:05,840
their budget is going to come from this

4765
03:09:10,630 --> 03:09:07,600
event and they're counting them chickens

4766
03:09:12,230 --> 03:09:10,640
before the money's there so i'm on it

4767
03:09:13,990 --> 03:09:12,240
after these bookship and the software in

4768
03:09:15,349 --> 03:09:14,000
february because i have the new roswell

4769
03:09:17,910 --> 03:09:15,359
update coming out

4770
03:09:20,229 --> 03:09:17,920
and there's a internet trail that i left

4771
03:09:21,030 --> 03:09:20,239
that proves that uh a bunch of new stuff

4772
03:09:22,469 --> 03:09:21,040
so

4773
03:09:23,910 --> 03:09:22,479
um anyway

4774
03:09:25,269 --> 03:09:23,920
all right thank you we're gonna throw

4775
03:09:27,429 --> 03:09:25,279
you one out of here say hi to your

4776
03:09:30,710 --> 03:09:27,439
better half of me i certainly will i'll

4777
03:09:32,630 --> 03:09:30,720
tell her all right thanks cal and kari

4778
03:09:34,309 --> 03:09:32,640
uh you

4779
03:09:35,590 --> 03:09:34,319
you were the la well you're always

4780
03:09:37,510 --> 03:09:35,600
welcome here you're kind of the

4781
03:09:39,590 --> 03:09:37,520
contributing producer and all that stuff

4782
03:09:41,670 --> 03:09:39,600
so kind of let you on the show

4783
03:09:42,630 --> 03:09:41,680
yeah when you're not busy with other

4784
03:09:56,630 --> 03:09:42,640
shows

4785
03:10:01,030 --> 03:09:58,870
contributing producers yeah yeah yeah

4786
03:10:02,950 --> 03:10:01,040
i'll see you on wednesday i'll see you

4787
03:10:05,190 --> 03:10:02,960
on wednesday i i think they're doing a

4788
03:10:06,870 --> 03:10:05,200
great job and so are you being a co-host

4789
03:10:08,710 --> 03:10:06,880
there and uh and they're lucky to have

4790
03:10:10,710 --> 03:10:08,720
you and so am i so

4791
03:10:12,790 --> 03:10:10,720
yeah good for you i'm gonna throw you

4792
03:10:15,590 --> 03:10:12,800
out of here as well now bye everyone

4793
03:10:17,190 --> 03:10:15,600
here we go and uh i just want to remind

4794
03:10:19,030 --> 03:10:17,200
everybody that there's two ways to

4795
03:10:20,630 --> 03:10:19,040
support us you could throw money at us

4796
03:10:22,070 --> 03:10:20,640
we're a viewer supported show either

4797
03:10:25,110 --> 03:10:22,080
through super chats

4798
03:10:28,150 --> 03:10:25,120
hold on a second there uh oh maybe not

4799
03:10:29,670 --> 03:10:28,160
my uh panel participants bounced out of

4800
03:10:32,550 --> 03:10:29,680
here but that's okay i can speak to them

4801
03:10:34,630 --> 03:10:32,560
offline so two ways to support us you

4802
03:10:36,710 --> 03:10:34,640
can throw money at us which means send a

4803
03:10:38,790 --> 03:10:36,720
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4804
03:10:40,309 --> 03:10:38,800
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4805
03:10:42,710 --> 03:10:40,319
paypal donation there's links in the

4806
03:10:44,790 --> 03:10:42,720
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4807
03:10:46,790 --> 03:10:44,800
uh the other way that you could support

4808
03:10:49,910 --> 03:10:46,800
us and this is just as important friends

4809
03:10:52,070 --> 03:10:49,920
maybe more important actually and it

4810
03:10:55,510 --> 03:10:52,080
costs absolutely nothing

4811
03:10:59,190 --> 03:10:55,520
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4812
03:11:01,269 --> 03:10:59,200
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4813
03:11:03,030 --> 03:11:01,279
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4814
03:11:05,190 --> 03:11:03,040
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4815
03:11:08,150 --> 03:11:05,200
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4816
03:11:09,910 --> 03:11:08,160
share them on your uh social media

4817
03:11:11,510 --> 03:11:09,920
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4818
03:11:13,349 --> 03:11:11,520
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4819
03:11:14,950 --> 03:11:13,359
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4820
03:11:16,389 --> 03:11:14,960
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4821
03:11:18,550 --> 03:11:16,399
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4822
03:11:20,550 --> 03:11:18,560
listening to a replay

4823
03:11:23,830 --> 03:11:20,560
we do all the tapings live here on

4824
03:11:25,910 --> 03:11:23,840
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4825
03:11:28,870 --> 03:11:25,920
as well as other platforms but

4826
03:11:30,710 --> 03:11:28,880
uh the audio podcast is it's a repeat so

4827
03:11:33,349 --> 03:11:30,720
you're missing half the fun go on over

4828
03:11:36,150 --> 03:11:33,359
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4829
03:11:38,630 --> 03:11:36,160
the search bar smash that subscribe

4830
03:11:40,550 --> 03:11:38,640
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4831
03:11:42,309 --> 03:11:40,560
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4832
03:11:43,990 --> 03:11:42,319
would be me the host of the show just

4833
03:11:45,429 --> 03:11:44,000
put truth seekers in the youtube search

4834
03:11:47,510 --> 03:11:45,439
bar we're the first one that pops up

4835
03:11:49,110 --> 03:11:47,520
look for me with the sunglasses smash

4836
03:11:51,429 --> 03:11:49,120
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4837
03:11:52,870 --> 03:11:51,439
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4838
03:11:55,269 --> 03:11:52,880
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4839
03:11:56,710 --> 03:11:55,279
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4840
03:11:58,469 --> 03:11:56,720
here and be a part of the lively

4841
03:12:00,710 --> 03:11:58,479
discussions we have we take comments

4842
03:12:02,309 --> 03:12:00,720
questions from the live chat we welcome

4843
03:12:04,389 --> 03:12:02,319
people come right on the show and be

4844
03:12:06,630 --> 03:12:04,399
panel members and take part in the

4845
03:12:08,389 --> 03:12:06,640
discussion interactivity here is a big

4846
03:12:10,630 --> 03:12:08,399
part of what we do

4847
03:12:13,670 --> 03:12:10,640
and we want to invite you

4848
03:12:15,429 --> 03:12:13,680
to come and be a part of the show don't

4849
03:12:18,309 --> 03:12:15,439
just listen to the story come and be a

4850
03:12:19,590 --> 03:12:18,319
part of the story with me you are almost

4851
03:12:21,269 --> 03:12:19,600
welcome

4852
03:12:23,670 --> 03:12:21,279
so i want to thank our panel

4853
03:12:25,750 --> 03:12:23,680
participants uh i want to thank cary for

4854
03:12:27,190 --> 03:12:25,760
doing that amazing job editing that

4855
03:12:28,630 --> 03:12:27,200
clipped video

4856
03:12:31,429 --> 03:12:28,640
i want to thank kurt

4857
03:12:33,910 --> 03:12:31,439
uh from theories of everything

4858
03:12:36,150 --> 03:12:33,920
for asking my question and again i

4859
03:12:43,429 --> 03:12:36,160
apologize to him for that way that that

4860
03:12:47,910 --> 03:12:46,630
apologize for the dead air

4861
03:12:49,190 --> 03:12:47,920
so

4862
03:12:51,590 --> 03:12:49,200
what can i say

4863
03:12:53,510 --> 03:12:51,600
this is where we leave our this is this

4864
03:12:55,349 --> 03:12:53,520
is where we find ourselves there are

4865
03:12:57,190 --> 03:12:55,359
people out there that for decades have

4866
03:12:58,070 --> 03:12:57,200
been selling garbage fake stories to

4867
03:13:00,070 --> 03:12:58,080
people

4868
03:13:01,190 --> 03:13:00,080
but as i mentioned there is a growing

4869
03:13:03,030 --> 03:13:01,200
chorus

4870
03:13:05,269 --> 03:13:03,040
of people and i've noticed most of them

4871
03:13:07,590 --> 03:13:05,279
are the younger crowd they're tired of

4872
03:13:09,030 --> 03:13:07,600
this they start getting into this and

4873
03:13:10,710 --> 03:13:09,040
then they find out that half these

4874
03:13:12,950 --> 03:13:10,720
people are selling garbage and they

4875
03:13:15,030 --> 03:13:12,960
don't like it nobody likes it

4876
03:13:21,349 --> 03:13:15,040
and the time in which people could do

4877
03:13:27,429 --> 03:13:23,990
i've often said that we cannot

4878
03:13:28,790 --> 03:13:27,439
fix a problem and for anybody

4879
03:13:29,830 --> 03:13:28,800
involved in this

4880
03:13:31,670 --> 03:13:29,840
to

4881
03:13:34,710 --> 03:13:31,680
tell you that this isn't a problem in

4882
03:13:36,389 --> 03:13:34,720
this field is a liar

4883
03:13:39,110 --> 03:13:36,399
i find it funny

4884
03:13:41,910 --> 03:13:39,120
almost comical i find it highly

4885
03:13:45,190 --> 03:13:41,920
entertaining that there's so many new

4886
03:13:47,590 --> 03:13:45,200
ufo shows and new ufo show hosts

4887
03:13:49,429 --> 03:13:47,600
and not one of these people is asking

4888
03:13:51,750 --> 03:13:49,439
the same questions that we're asking

4889
03:13:52,790 --> 03:13:51,760
here well almost no one

4890
03:13:55,269 --> 03:13:52,800
right

4891
03:13:57,990 --> 03:13:55,279
and you cannot fix a problem until you

4892
03:13:59,349 --> 03:13:58,000
at least acknowledge it and talk about

4893
03:14:01,590 --> 03:13:59,359
it

4894
03:14:03,510 --> 03:14:01,600
most of these other show hosts i mean no

4895
03:14:05,990 --> 03:14:03,520
offense i i you know

4896
03:14:08,150 --> 03:14:06,000
i just don't see any any due diligence

4897
03:14:11,349 --> 03:14:08,160
on this stuff you mean to tell me that

4898
03:14:13,349 --> 03:14:11,359
the top tier all the top ufo celebrities

4899
03:14:15,830 --> 03:14:13,359
are all working for criminals and a

4900
03:14:17,190 --> 03:14:15,840
company that promotes a kitty porn guy

4901
03:14:20,150 --> 03:14:17,200
and you're not even going to talk about

4902
03:14:22,630 --> 03:14:20,160
it on your ufo show

4903
03:14:24,630 --> 03:14:22,640
but see this is the game it's a big club

4904
03:14:26,389 --> 03:14:24,640
and i ain't in it and some of these

4905
03:14:27,510 --> 03:14:26,399
people are in the club and they can't

4906
03:14:29,990 --> 03:14:27,520
say [\h__\h]

4907
03:14:31,910 --> 03:14:30,000
because they get a lot of uh views and

4908
03:14:33,510 --> 03:14:31,920
attention from those ufo celebrities

4909
03:14:36,389 --> 03:14:33,520
that come on their show that they

4910
03:14:38,790 --> 03:14:36,399
softball and give a pass for doing

4911
03:14:41,429 --> 03:14:38,800
things like selling a story based on a

4912
03:14:44,150 --> 03:14:41,439
video game cover as their evidence

4913
03:14:46,790 --> 03:14:44,160
or selling a story with a totally fake

4914
03:14:50,309 --> 03:14:46,800
anonymous made-up navy seal

4915
03:14:52,389 --> 03:14:50,319
no friends we have seen tonight that

4916
03:14:54,070 --> 03:14:52,399
some of these people have no shame

4917
03:14:56,469 --> 03:14:54,080
there's no shame in some of their game

4918
03:14:58,950 --> 03:14:56,479
they'll sell whatever garbage they think

4919
03:15:00,469 --> 03:14:58,960
people will buy and when caught they

4920
03:15:03,429 --> 03:15:00,479
scurry off

4921
03:15:06,309 --> 03:15:03,439
right do the hoax shuffle scary off

4922
03:15:08,790 --> 03:15:06,319
right ignore it let it blow over and

4923
03:15:10,870 --> 03:15:08,800
come back with a new fake story seen it

4924
03:15:12,630 --> 03:15:10,880
time and time again

4925
03:15:14,950 --> 03:15:12,640
but i'm hopeful that we're going to be

4926
03:15:16,229 --> 03:15:14,960
seeing it less and less because more and

4927
03:15:17,830 --> 03:15:16,239
more of these people are starting to

4928
03:15:20,070 --> 03:15:17,840
realize that there's people like me out

4929
03:15:21,190 --> 03:15:20,080
there that are not going to accept this

4930
03:15:22,950 --> 03:15:21,200
garbage

4931
03:15:23,830 --> 03:15:22,960
so called evidence that they have to

4932
03:15:26,790 --> 03:15:23,840
share

4933
03:15:29,110 --> 03:15:26,800
that are not going to accept this lazy

4934
03:15:30,950 --> 03:15:29,120
do nothing so-called investigative

4935
03:15:36,469 --> 03:15:30,960
journalism work that these people claim

4936
03:15:42,550 --> 03:15:37,830
no

4937
03:15:45,190 --> 03:15:42,560
either

4938
03:15:47,590 --> 03:15:45,200
because it does nothing but damage the

4939
03:15:48,550 --> 03:15:47,600
subject and make it more worthy of

4940
03:15:50,790 --> 03:15:48,560
ridicule

4941
03:15:52,389 --> 03:15:50,800
when people look into this and they find

4942
03:15:54,950 --> 03:15:52,399
garbage like that

4943
03:15:57,590 --> 03:15:54,960
especially coming from the so-called top

4944
03:15:59,190 --> 03:15:57,600
people in this so-called field or

4945
03:16:02,950 --> 03:15:59,200
subject

4946
03:16:07,190 --> 03:16:04,870
this is where we find ourselves it's a

4947
03:16:09,190 --> 03:16:07,200
crossroads of of sorts

4948
03:16:12,469 --> 03:16:09,200
and i for one am happy that we've at

4949
03:16:14,070 --> 03:16:12,479
least reached the crossroads

4950
03:16:15,670 --> 03:16:14,080
and i'm hopeful

4951
03:16:19,910 --> 03:16:15,680
that we're going to see some positive

4952
03:16:23,429 --> 03:16:21,750
i did say i'm going to be trying to be

4953
03:16:26,150 --> 03:16:23,439
kinder and gentler

4954
03:16:28,309 --> 03:16:26,160
tonight i was as fair as calm and as

4955
03:16:31,750 --> 03:16:28,319
diplomatic as i could be

4956
03:16:33,750 --> 03:16:31,760
in this situation i

4957
03:16:35,910 --> 03:16:33,760
really really just want to start a

4958
03:16:38,070 --> 03:16:35,920
conversation here about why is this

4959
03:16:39,030 --> 03:16:38,080
acceptable and by the way

4960
03:16:42,070 --> 03:16:39,040
um

4961
03:16:44,950 --> 03:16:42,080
it's all a game you you know that the

4962
03:16:47,429 --> 03:16:44,960
ufo conference organizers know who's

4963
03:16:49,510 --> 03:16:47,439
selling garbage fake stories but if they

4964
03:16:55,670 --> 03:16:49,520
put asses in the seats those people

4965
03:17:01,269 --> 03:16:58,229
it's a business after all it's show

4966
03:17:03,830 --> 03:17:01,279
business ufo attainment

4967
03:17:06,870 --> 03:17:05,429
part of the problem

4968
03:17:08,710 --> 03:17:06,880
is that people

4969
03:17:10,229 --> 03:17:08,720
know that this is going on and they

4970
03:17:11,910 --> 03:17:10,239
won't talk about it

4971
03:17:14,469 --> 03:17:11,920
part of the problem is that there's all

4972
03:17:16,070 --> 03:17:14,479
these ufo shows how many has she how

4973
03:17:17,429 --> 03:17:16,080
many shows has she been on where she's

4974
03:17:19,110 --> 03:17:17,439
been interviewed

4975
03:17:21,110 --> 03:17:19,120
who had the courage to ask her a

4976
03:17:22,630 --> 03:17:21,120
question like i asked her

4977
03:17:25,110 --> 03:17:22,640
who had the balls

4978
03:17:27,190 --> 03:17:25,120
to hold her accountable for defrauding

4979
03:17:28,870 --> 03:17:27,200
the public

4980
03:17:30,950 --> 03:17:28,880
not many

4981
03:17:32,710 --> 03:17:30,960
but it is what it is

4982
03:17:34,229 --> 03:17:32,720
so i'm going to bounce on out of here

4983
03:17:35,910 --> 03:17:34,239
i'm sorry that this went so long i

4984
03:17:37,590 --> 03:17:35,920
wasn't playing on the panel and it was

4985
03:17:39,269 --> 03:17:37,600
hard to get through all this all the

4986
03:17:41,030 --> 03:17:39,279
data points that we had to share and

4987
03:17:42,389 --> 03:17:41,040
again i could go another three hours

4988
03:17:43,670 --> 03:17:42,399
with all the fake stories she's been

4989
03:17:46,150 --> 03:17:43,680
involved in

4990
03:17:49,110 --> 03:17:46,160
carrot documents look that one up

4991
03:17:50,309 --> 03:17:49,120
carrot documents the drones it was so

4992
03:17:52,870 --> 03:17:50,319
fake

4993
03:17:57,269 --> 03:17:54,790
when that fell apart she moved on to

4994
03:17:58,389 --> 03:17:57,279
some new fake story that she could sell

4995
03:18:00,710 --> 03:17:58,399
so

4996
03:18:02,070 --> 03:18:00,720
what can i say folks uh i'm always happy

4997
03:18:03,830 --> 03:18:02,080
when there's an audience tonight we had

4998
03:18:05,349 --> 03:18:03,840
a great one some of our best numbers

4999
03:18:07,349 --> 03:18:05,359
ever thank you all for being here and

5000
03:18:09,910 --> 03:18:07,359
being part of the show especially our

5001
03:18:12,229 --> 03:18:09,920
panel members thanks very much to our

5002
03:18:13,590 --> 03:18:12,239
super chatters our paypal donators and

5003
03:18:15,750 --> 03:18:13,600
our patreon

5004
03:18:17,269 --> 03:18:15,760
uh supporters remember patreon is a

5005
03:18:18,389 --> 03:18:17,279
dollar a month we throw some extra

5006
03:18:20,870 --> 03:18:18,399
content we're going to be doing a

5007
03:18:23,910 --> 03:18:20,880
patreon only stream this weekend just

5008
03:18:26,229 --> 03:18:23,920
for patreon supporters so sign up uh

5009
03:18:28,550 --> 03:18:26,239
we'd love to have you and we also

5010
03:18:30,950 --> 03:18:28,560
provide on patreon extra content and

5011
03:18:32,950 --> 03:18:30,960
some of my music and a lot of projects

5012
03:18:35,750 --> 03:18:32,960
before they're made public go to patreon

5013
03:18:36,710 --> 03:18:35,760
first it's sort of a sneak peek behind

5014
03:18:38,790 --> 03:18:36,720
the scenes

5015
03:18:40,630 --> 03:18:38,800
view of the show so tonight we had a

5016
03:18:43,110 --> 03:18:40,640
great audience thanks so much for being

5017
03:18:44,309 --> 03:18:43,120
a part of it uh no place that i would

5018
03:18:45,750 --> 03:18:44,319
rather be

5019
03:18:48,150 --> 03:18:45,760
but we're running kind of long and we

5020
03:18:49,830 --> 03:18:48,160
want to bounce on out of here so until

5021
03:18:52,710 --> 03:18:49,840
next time friends my name is steven

5022
03:18:55,349 --> 03:18:52,720
cambion reminding you that sometimes the

5023
03:18:57,590 --> 03:18:55,359
truth is ugly but it's still always

5024
03:19:01,700 --> 03:18:57,600
worth having good night and god bless

5025
03:19:01,710 --> 03:19:09,750
[Music]

5026
03:19:42,930 --> 03:19:11,550
so

5027
03:20:22,290 --> 03:20:06,469
[Music]

5028
03:20:33,750 --> 03:20:22,300
[Applause]

5029
03:20:58,970 --> 03:20:36,230
so

5030
03:21:30,480 --> 03:21:01,720
[Applause]